fatalbert Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Have just been to see the Darkest hour,a very good film I thought,however they had Churchill going to see the French leader in an RAF marked Dakota,the film is set in 1939.Now I know this is probably incorrect and I was wondering what would the aircraft have been in reality.I was thinking maybe a DH Hertfordshire or something similar.What do you reckon? Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denford Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, fatalbert said: Have just been to see the Darkest hour,a very good film I thought,however they had Churchill going to see the French leader in an RAF marked Dakota,the film is set in 1939.Now I know this is probably incorrect and I was wondering what would the aircraft have been in reality.I was thinking maybe a DH Hertfordshire or something similar.What do you reckon? Neil Chamberlin went to see Hitler at Munich in a Lockheed Electra. For a shorter trip such as Paris, perhaps a de H Rapide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Churchill generally used a DH Flamingo when shuttling back and forth to France. After he became PM in May '40, that is. Here's a link that might interest you. Edited January 21, 2018 by gingerbob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalbert Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Thanks guys,and thanks for that link Gingerbob,interesting read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaneng Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Interesting profile name. Ex-Lyneham at all, or just a lucky choice?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Whats a DH Hertfordshire ? That's a new one on me. Percival Q.6 was used by the RAF . Its almost certain this aircraft bought General De Gaulle to England in secret when France was falling Edited January 21, 2018 by bzn20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denford Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Denford said: Chamberlin went to see Hitler at Munich in a Lockheed Electra. For a shorter trip such as Paris, perhaps a de H Rapide. Should have added that de Gaulle and his family were evacuated by de H Rapide. Perhaps that's why he always took against us.....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 The Hertfordshire was the RAF name for the Flamingo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Denford said: de Gaulle and his family were evacuated by de H Rapide I saw a newsreel of this the other week, it was a low wing twin engine 'plane. The guys that are rebuilding a Q6 had the flying log book and it went to France "empty" and came back "empty". When France was falling this plane made 2 flights with "nothing" aboard it. Same date he came to England and to and from the area of France where De Gaulle was. Edited January 21, 2018 by bzn20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) I am sure somewhere I have photo of a DH95 in France when Churchill went over with one of the escorting Spitfires in the background. The name Hertfordshire applied to one aircraft, R2510, that differed from the Flamingo in its window arrangement. Civil Flamingos were impressed and the ones used by Churchill were the prototype and two ordered, but not delivered to Jersey Airways. I think the impressed aircraft kept their Flamingo name Edit Just found the photo, it is on Page 26 of 'Spitfire at War' and the caption says it was taken on 16th May 1940. 92 Squadron provided the escorting Spitfires on that occasion. There is also a photo on page 74 of the 'The Spitfire Story' that shoes the Spitfires with the front of the Flamingo just visible behind the Spitfires. Edited January 21, 2018 by Martin T Additional information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalbert Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, isaneng said: Interesting profile name. Ex-Lyneham at all, or just a lucky choice?? Thanks,not ex RAF am afraid,was in the Navy for bit,but have worked on C130's for the last 20 years in civi street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalbert Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, Martin T said: I am sure somewhere I have photo of a DH95 in France when Churchill went over with one of the escorting Spitfires in the background. The name Hertfordshire applied to one aircraft, R2510, that differed from the Flamingo in its window arrangement. Civil Flamingos were impressed and the ones used by Churchill were the prototype and two ordered, but not delivered to Jersey Airways. I think the impressed aircraft kept their Flamingo name Edit Just found the photo, it is on Page 26 of 'Spitfire at War' and the caption says it was taken on 16th May 1940. 92 Squadron provided the escorting Spitfires on that occasion. There is also a photo on page 74 of the 'The Spitfire Story' that shoes the Spitfires with the front of the Flamingo just visible behind the Spitfires. Thanks Martin,I think I have spitfire at war somewhere,I will have to go and dig it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 8 hours ago, gingerbob said: Churchill generally used a DH Flamingo when shuttling back and forth to France. After he became PM in May '40, that is. Here's a link that might interest you. Gingerbob, Fascinating article! Thanks for sharing it with the rest of us. Regarding Berwick- wasn't she painted in EDSG/DSG over sky? If we ever get a 1/72 injected 314 Clipper, Berwick is my first choice- a beautiful flying boat in a beautiful scheme! I think that makes her the only aircraft type that was used by the leader of two different nations. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalbert Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, 72modeler said: Gingerbob, Fascinating article! Thanks for sharing it with the rest of us. Regarding Berwick- wasn't she painted in EDSG/DSG over sky? If we ever get a 1/72 injected 314 Clipper, Berwick is my first choice- a beautiful flying boat in a beautiful scheme! I think that makes her the only aircraft type that was used by the leader of two different nations. Mike That would be an impressive kit wouldn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, 72modeler said: If we ever get a 1/72 injected 314 Clipper Airfix did a Pan-American/BOAC one way back, might find one lurking on ebay Here you from £14.99.....ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XAirfix+Boeing+314+clipper.TRS0&_nkw=Airfix+Boeing+314+clipper&_sacat=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, bzn20 said: Airfix did a Pan-American/BOAC one way back, might find one lurking on ebay Here you from £14.99.....ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XAirfix+Boeing+314+clipper.TRS0&_nkw=Airfix+Boeing+314+clipper&_sacat=0 It’s 1/144 and fitted into their civil airliner range. Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Max Headroom said: 1/144 Missed that bit...! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 12 hours ago, gingerbob said: Here's a link that might interest you. Very interesting link, however there is a phrase which make me doubtful: "Allied leaders in Washington and Ottawa in January 1942, Churchill made his first flight across the Atlantic aboard Berwick, a Boeing 314A flying boat[7] painted in olive drab camouflage with large Union Flags under her cockpit windows. " The photos shows TSS: Momebers of Polish Goverment on excile (ie. in London) during WWII (or General Chief of Army) uses besides LB 30, Flamingo, C-47 also DC 2, not mentioned as yet here. Regards J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think Anigrand has a resin kit in 1/72. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 5 hours ago, leyreynolds said: I think Anigrand has a resin kit in 1/72. I recently bought a vacu kit in 1/72 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 hours ago, JWM said: Very interesting link, however there is a phrase which make me doubtful: "Allied leaders in Washington and Ottawa in January 1942, Churchill made his first flight across the Atlantic aboard Berwick, a Boeing 314A flying boat[7] painted in olive drab camouflage with large Union Flags under her cockpit windows. " The photos shows TSS: That's a not unreasonable statement, as the equivalent US colour for the Dark Slate Grey in the TSS scheme was Olive Drab ANA 613. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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