leyreynolds Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I'm looking for details of the colours/markings of the Ju 160's used by Eurasia and Manchurian Airlines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick4350 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Try http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2014/03/hisao-saitohs-148th-scale-junkers-ju-160.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matave Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 In the book: A history of Chinese aviation - Encyclopedia of aircraft and aviation in China until 1949 by Lennart Andersson it says: Quote Euroasia received one example of the Ju 160 (660 hp BMW 132) passenger transport monoplane. C/n 4215 (ex D-UVUX) was delivered in August 1935 and was taken in service at the beginning of October. It crashed after three months and was returned to Germany. MKKK (Manshu Kokuyusho Kabushiki Kaisha, Manchu Air Transport Company) received two ex-Japanese Army Air Force Ju 160Ds in 1937. No references to colouring or markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 Thanks for the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Callahan Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Is there a 1:72 injected kit of the Ju-160? I know of a vac and (I believe) a Classic kit (though I don't know what it consists of). Anyone have that Classic Planes kit, or can point to some photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 The Classic Planes kit, which I have, is all resin and looks to match my references quite well. It comes with internal details for cockpit/cabin but these will require some adjustment to fit the fuselage halves. I have yet to start construction but the components fit reasonably well. I think some reinforcement will be required at the wing/fuselage joint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Callahan Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Thanks for that, LR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Here one can look at detais of the Planet kit: https://www.super-hobby.co.uk/products/Junkers-Ju-160-Luftwaffe-Service.html I hope it can help Regards J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junchan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 As Matave mentioned, Eurasia Aviation used one Ju 160 from 1935 to 1936. There are a photo and a color profile in "Early Chinese Aircraft" site by Mr. Lim at http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/caf14.htm On the other hand, in 1935 Mitsubishi acquired licence for manufacturing the Ju 160 and imported three aircraft as samples. Two of them were converted to ambulance plane and donated to the Army as "Aikoku-128/129, Manpyou-Go". The remaining machine was re-engined with the Myojo (license built P&W R-1690) and delivered to the Navy for evaluation, then disposed to a civil airline (provably Japan Air Transport Co. Ltd.) as J-DAAF. Some references, including "Early Chinese Aircraft" says that the two Aikoku's were transferred to Manchukuo Natinal Airways. More phots and a color profile are available from "Early Chinese Aircraft" http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/manchu_x.htm#1、容克斯160(1935)(Junkers_160) Hope these will help. Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 1/18/2018 at 4:54 AM, Junchan said: As Matave mentioned, Eurasia Aviation used one Ju 160 from 1935 to 1936. There are a photo and a color profile in "Early Chinese Aircraft" site by Mr. Lim at http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/caf14.htm On the other hand, in 1935 Mitsubishi acquired licence for manufacturing the Ju 160 and imported three aircraft as samples. Two of them were converted to ambulance plane and donated to the Army as "Aikoku-128/129, Manpyou-Go". The remaining machine was re-engined with the Myojo (license built P&W R-1690) and delivered to the Navy for evaluation, then disposed to a civil airline (provably Japan Air Transport Co. Ltd.) as J-DAAF. Some references, including "Early Chinese Aircraft" says that the two Aikoku's were transferred to Manchukuo Natinal Airways. More phots and a color profile are available from "Early Chinese Aircraft" http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/manchu_x.htm#1、容克斯160(1935)(Junkers_160) Hope these will help. Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums Jun, very interesting but above links does not work.... BTW - in Planet resin kit in 1/72 of Ju-160 they says, that after incorporation into Lufwaffe all Ju 160 remains in NMF. It does not match the reality I am affraid, since in net I was able to find a couple of photos of Ju-160 with two tone upper side camo, apparently RLM 71/71 with RLM 65 undersurface. https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160_4.jpg https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160.jpg Does anybody know the scheme of areas in RLM 7-/71 for this type? Any more details on use? Regards J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junchan Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 23 hours ago, JWM said: Jun, very interesting but above links does not work.... BTW - in Planet resin kit in 1/72 of Ju-160 they says, that after incorporation into Lufwaffe all Ju 160 remains in NMF. It does not match the reality I am affraid, since in net I was able to find a couple of photos of Ju-160 with two tone upper side camo, apparently RLM 71/71 with RLM 65 undersurface. https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160_4.jpg https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160.jpg Does anybody know the scheme of areas in RLM 7-/71 for this type? Any more details on use? Regards J-W Hi J-W, Mr. Lam's Chinese Aircraft site has moved to the new address at: http://cwlam2000.epizy.com/caf14.htm Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Junchan said: Hi J-W, Mr. Lam's Chinese Aircraft site has moved to the new address at: http://cwlam2000.epizy.com/caf14.htm Many thanks! Fascinating stuff, it took me some last 2 hours to go briefly throught it. BTW - thanks Google translater I can read Kantonian! Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie_C96 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 07/02/2023 at 10:23, Junchan said: Hi J-W, Mr. Lam's Chinese Aircraft site has moved to the new address at: http://cwlam2000.epizy.com/caf14.htm Interesting how good these porfiles actually are - they depict the rear fuselages of Eurasia's F13s and W33s painted in green as opposed to red in most of Western depictions. For a civilan plane flying over difficult landscpe, green makes little sense... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 5:04 PM, JWM said: Does anybody know the scheme of areas in RLM 7-/71 for this type? The splinter camo was standardized and based on a grid system which was laid over the aircraft contour. This pattern was fairly consistently applied to all kind of aircraft types, especially early in the war so one can easily extrapolate the location of the pattern. See for example the plan for the He 111: Cheers Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Shorty84 said: The splinter camo was standardized and based on a grid system which was laid over the aircraft contour. This pattern was fairly consistently applied to all kind of aircraft types, especially early in the war so one can easily extrapolate the location of the pattern. See for example the plan for the He 111: Thank you, Surely, it was standardized. I have such factory schemes for all main types, they were published in 4-volume Polish monograph on Luftwaffe colors. Therefore I am asking for the one applied on Ju-160. There must be one. Otherwise I will go with all alu dope, which is a bit risky for a vacu kit... Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, JWM said: Therefore I am asking for the one applied on Ju-160. There must be one. Ok, maybe I should have explained myself better. I meant that for such obscure types one will, most likely, not find any official documents anymore (at least I've never seen any and I'm fairly interested in such obscure Luftwaffe types too). But since the patterns were standardized I simply wanted to suggest to use existing rules and transfer them to the Ju 160. In the end, who will prove you wrong, especially when one can't determine a deviation from the standards with existing photos? If you want a Ju 160 in splinter pattern, just do it. The chance they used the standard pattern is way higher than usage of an 'special' pattern. Cheers Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Here is for example in camo It seem like a wartime registration : WL-URIF must be before the outbreak of war the D-URIF. Was it also written on wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) Usual practice was to repeat the WL-registation on the upper and lower wings. Here is the official standard for ex-civil trainers and liaison aircraft in Luftwaffe service: https://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Ries-Markierungen-Luftwaffe-4-innen.jpeg.jpeg (from this book: https://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/shop/markierungen-und-tarnanstriche-der-luftwaffe-im-2-weltkrieg/) And here in practice on a Bf 108 (WL-IAWI): https://imodeler.com/uploads/2019/05/b/bogdan_ionete_190522_5ce58a2e1d983.jpg?10018 Cheers Markus Edited February 9, 2023 by Shorty84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 21 hours ago, Eddie_C96 said: Interesting how good these porfiles actually are - they depict the rear fuselages of Eurasia's F13s and W33s painted in green as opposed to red in most of Western depictions. For a civilan plane flying over difficult landscpe, green makes little sense... The green is supposed to be the colour of the Chinese post office. I've seen pictures of Junkers models in Chinese museums painted that colour. There's a German book on Eurasia which has colour profiles showing red, but says that colour is speculative... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Well, I ended up with a Classic Planes resin kit of the 160 Airliner as a collateral purchase in an auction, and been wondering what to do with it. So this thread has been an education and inspiration to read through. To be honest, I had to look up Ju160- I'd never come across the type before. I'm kind of hoping that a wip topic might appear at some point.....? 🙏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 I have the vacu kit in 1/72 by Airmodel (like that https://www.scalemates.com/pl/kits/airmodel-158-junkers-ju-160--208427 ). I have bought it not many years ago. For some unclear reason I decided to buy a vacu not the resin kit.... Regards J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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