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In the book: A history of Chinese aviation - Encyclopedia of aircraft and aviation in China until 1949 by Lennart Andersson it says:

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Euroasia received one example of the Ju 160 (660 hp BMW 132) passenger transport monoplane. C/n 4215 (ex D-UVUX) was delivered in August 1935 and was taken in service at the beginning of October. It crashed after three months and was returned to Germany. MKKK (Manshu Kokuyusho Kabushiki Kaisha, Manchu Air Transport Company) received two ex-Japanese Army Air Force Ju 160Ds in 1937.

No references to colouring or markings.

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The Classic Planes kit, which I have, is all resin and looks to match my references quite well. It comes with internal details for cockpit/cabin but these will require some adjustment to fit the fuselage halves. I have yet to start construction but the components fit reasonably well. I think some reinforcement will be required at the wing/fuselage joint.

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As Matave mentioned, Eurasia Aviation used one Ju 160 from 1935 to 1936. There are  a photo and a color profile in "Early Chinese Aircraft" site by Mr. Lim at http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/caf14.htm

On the other hand, in 1935 Mitsubishi acquired licence for manufacturing the Ju 160 and imported three aircraft as samples. Two of them were converted to ambulance plane and donated to the Army as "Aikoku-128/129, Manpyou-Go". The remaining machine was re-engined with the Myojo (license built P&W R-1690) and delivered to the Navy for evaluation, then disposed to a civil airline (provably Japan Air Transport Co. Ltd.) as J-DAAF. Some references, including "Early Chinese Aircraft" says that the two Aikoku's were transferred to Manchukuo Natinal Airways.

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More phots and a color profile are available from "Early Chinese Aircraft" http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/manchu_x.htm#1、容克斯160(1935)(Junkers_160)

 

Hope these will help.

 

Jun in Tokyo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums

 

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On 1/18/2018 at 4:54 AM, Junchan said:

As Matave mentioned, Eurasia Aviation used one Ju 160 from 1935 to 1936. There are  a photo and a color profile in "Early Chinese Aircraft" site by Mr. Lim at http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/caf14.htm

On the other hand, in 1935 Mitsubishi acquired licence for manufacturing the Ju 160 and imported three aircraft as samples. Two of them were converted to ambulance plane and donated to the Army as "Aikoku-128/129, Manpyou-Go". The remaining machine was re-engined with the Myojo (license built P&W R-1690) and delivered to the Navy for evaluation, then disposed to a civil airline (provably Japan Air Transport Co. Ltd.) as J-DAAF. Some references, including "Early Chinese Aircraft" says that the two Aikoku's were transferred to Manchukuo Natinal Airways.

0000212.jpg

 

More phots and a color profile are available from "Early Chinese Aircraft" http://cwlam2000.0catch.com/manchu_x.htm#1、容克斯160(1935)(Junkers_160)

 

Hope these will help.

 

Jun in Tokyo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums

 

Jun, very interesting but above links does not work....

 

BTW - in Planet resin kit in 1/72 of Ju-160 they says, that after incorporation into Lufwaffe all Ju 160 remains in NMF. It does not match the reality I am affraid, since in net I was able to find a couple of photos of Ju-160 with two tone upper side camo, apparently RLM 71/71 with RLM 65 undersurface.

https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160_4.jpg

https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160.jpg

Does anybody know the scheme of areas in RLM 7-/71 for this type?  Any more details on use?

 

Regards

J-W

 

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23 hours ago, JWM said:

Jun, very interesting but above links does not work....

 

BTW - in Planet resin kit in 1/72 of Ju-160 they says, that after incorporation into Lufwaffe all Ju 160 remains in NMF. It does not match the reality I am affraid, since in net I was able to find a couple of photos of Ju-160 with two tone upper side camo, apparently RLM 71/71 with RLM 65 undersurface.

https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160_4.jpg

https://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju160.jpg

Does anybody know the scheme of areas in RLM 7-/71 for this type?  Any more details on use?

 

Regards

J-W

 

Hi J-W, Mr. Lam's Chinese Aircraft site has moved to the new address at:

http://cwlam2000.epizy.com/caf14.htm

 

Jun in Tokyo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums

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1 hour ago, Junchan said:

Hi J-W, Mr. Lam's Chinese Aircraft site has moved to the new address at:

http://cwlam2000.epizy.com/caf14.htm

 

Many thanks! Fascinating stuff, it took me some last 2 hours to go briefly throught it. BTW - thanks Google translater I can read Kantonian! ;) 

Regards

J-W

 

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On 07/02/2023 at 10:23, Junchan said:

Hi J-W, Mr. Lam's Chinese Aircraft site has moved to the new address at:

http://cwlam2000.epizy.com/caf14.htm

 

 

Interesting how good these porfiles actually are - they depict the rear fuselages of Eurasia's F13s and W33s painted in green as opposed to red in most of Western depictions.

For a civilan plane flying over difficult landscpe, green makes little sense...

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On 2/6/2023 at 5:04 PM, JWM said:

Does anybody know the scheme of areas in RLM 7-/71 for this type?

The splinter camo was standardized and based on a grid system which was laid over the aircraft contour. This pattern was fairly consistently applied to all kind of aircraft types, especially early in the war so one can easily extrapolate the location of the pattern. 

See for example the plan for the He 111:

He-111-H-70-71.png

 

Cheers

Markus

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1 hour ago, Shorty84 said:

The splinter camo was standardized and based on a grid system which was laid over the aircraft contour. This pattern was fairly consistently applied to all kind of aircraft types, especially early in the war so one can easily extrapolate the location of the pattern. 

See for example the plan for the He 111:

Thank you, Surely, it was standardized. I have such factory schemes for all main types, they were published in 4-volume Polish monograph on Luftwaffe colors. Therefore I am asking for the one applied on Ju-160. There must be one. Otherwise I will go with all alu dope, which is a bit risky for a vacu kit...

Regards

J-W

 

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2 hours ago, JWM said:

Therefore I am asking for the one applied on Ju-160. There must be one.

Ok, maybe I should have explained myself better.

I meant that for such obscure types one will, most likely, not find any official documents anymore (at least I've never seen any and I'm fairly interested in such obscure Luftwaffe types too). But since the patterns were standardized I simply wanted to suggest to use existing rules and transfer them to the Ju 160.

In the end, who will prove you wrong, especially when one can't determine a deviation from the standards with existing photos? 

If you want a Ju 160 in splinter pattern, just do it. The chance they used the standard pattern is way higher than usage of an 'special' pattern. 

 

Cheers

Markus

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Here is for example in camo

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It seem like a wartime registration : WL-URIF  must be before the outbreak of war the D-URIF. Was it also written on wings? 

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Usual practice was to repeat the WL-registation on the upper and lower wings.

 

Here is the official standard for ex-civil trainers and liaison aircraft in Luftwaffe service: https://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Ries-Markierungen-Luftwaffe-4-innen.jpeg.jpeg (from this book: https://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/shop/markierungen-und-tarnanstriche-der-luftwaffe-im-2-weltkrieg/)


And here in practice on a Bf 108 (WL-IAWI): https://imodeler.com/uploads/2019/05/b/bogdan_ionete_190522_5ce58a2e1d983.jpg?10018

 

Cheers

Markus

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21 hours ago, Eddie_C96 said:

 

Interesting how good these porfiles actually are - they depict the rear fuselages of Eurasia's F13s and W33s painted in green as opposed to red in most of Western depictions.

For a civilan plane flying over difficult landscpe, green makes little sense...

The green is supposed to be the colour of the Chinese post office. I've seen pictures of Junkers models in Chinese museums painted that colour. There's a German book on Eurasia which has colour profiles showing red, but says that colour is speculative...

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Well, I ended up with a Classic Planes resin kit of the 160 Airliner as a collateral purchase in an auction, and been wondering what to do with it. 

So this thread has been an education and inspiration to read through. 

To be honest, I had to look up Ju160- I'd never come across the type before. 

I'm kind of hoping that a wip topic might appear at some point.....? 🙏

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