cocky05d Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Hi ,looking through an model making magazine there was an article about building a 1/72 109, in the article he says that 109s had a center line panel line running along most of the top and the bottom of the fuselage having spent long time getting rid of the seam lines on 4 1/72 109s i am a bit peeved to say the least . Had a look on the interweb ,most models of 109s show no such line . Any views on the subject would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 31 minutes ago, cocky05d said: in the article he says that 109s had a center line panel line running along most of the top and the bottom of the fuselage they do. I've seen better walkround images, but it's visible here. the Bf109 fuselage was like a kit, in two halves, joined down the centre. In a rush, I'll add more later if I can find better images 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junchan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 The fuselage was constructed in the left and right halves like this diagram. Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocky05d Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Thanks for the replies ,got loads of 109s in 1.48 and a few in 1/32 ,i will know better next time . Talking about 109s , seem to have mislaid a Revell 1/72 109g ,with a lot of my kits i used other large kit boxes to store them in also plastic containers . In a Italeri 1/35 Tiger 1 box i have four 1/48 plane kits for example ,can't remember where the Revell kit has got to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junchan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Forgot to post a photo. Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I know the feeling - even after I had been told that there should be a line down the spines of my last 109 double build - I still patiently sanded them down and re-instated the panel lines around the circumference - I just like them that way - besides you would be hard pushed to see the spine line on a 1/72 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, BIG X said: I know the feeling - even after I had been told that there should be a line down the spines of my last 109 double build - I still patiently sanded them down and re-instated the panel lines around the circumference - I just like them that way - besides you would be hard pushed to see the spine line on a 1/72 anyway Yeah, it might be right, but it looks so wrong. In any case, in the photos I've seen, it doesn't look prominent enough that an attempt to recreate it on my part would be worth the candle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocky05d Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 59 minutes ago, Junchan said: Forgot to post a photo. Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums Interesting photo ,always wondered why Messerschmitt numbered the panels on 109s and 110s ,don't know about their other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocky05d Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 I mentioned a missing Revell 109g ,found it along with 2 Revell 1/72 P47ds i had forgotten about I suppose like most modellers i buy the kits Aldi have in for Christmas . Around 3 Spitfires 4 P51s 4 P40s 5 Hurricanes . Got a load of after market decals for the Hurricances ,going to get some SEAC decals for the P47s . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 IIRC, the seam on the 109 is not on the centre-line but somewhat offset, something none of the modelling companies have seen fit to copy, for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Graham beat me to it. This thread is ostensibly about the 110 but some way down the page is a good photo of the dorsal seam on a 109, offset slightly to the right of centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niknak Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Yip both the bf 109 and bf 110 had this pannel line. This was of the way thay were built in two half s , then joined together . The one on the bottom of the bf 109 starts from the rear of the panel which solvers the fuel tank and stops at the tail wheel. The fw 190 had a panel line offsett on the top of the fusalarge as well. witch a lot of modellers miss too Edited November 1, 2017 by Niknak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocky05d Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Hi ,don't think it would make much difference in 1/72 scale . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat d Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Too add a bit to the conversation; the center line seam was also seen on non-Messerschmitt a/c like the Grumman F6F. BTW the Me 410 and Me 262 also had center line seams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niknak Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 And most of them had the panel lines filled with filler during construction, even at the end of the war as there are photos of me 262 with filler over the panel lines and no camouflage paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanroon Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I am about to get back to a 1/48 Hasegawa kit. My plan was to mask parallel to the seam and fill to represent the overlap construction. G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 3:13 PM, Junchan said: Forgot to post a photo. Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums Are they making that in their living room? Talk about 'cottage industry' lol! Duncan B (who always manages to accidentally fill the seam line on his 109s!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Here's my take on the Airfix 1:72 Bf 109E-4 - if you look closely you can see the centreline seam. It was a royal pain to make it in this scale. I didn't know about the offset when I built the kit, that would have made it even more of a pain! Cheers, Bill 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) All the Bf-109s I've built lately (a Bf 109D-1, Bf 109E-7, Bf 109F-2, Bf 109K-4, all in the gentleman's scale), I've tried to put that wretched line in, with varying degrees of success. Blasted Nazis - still making things difficult for us all these decades later! Lovely Emil there, by the way, Bill! Regards, Jason Edited November 4, 2017 by Learstang Additional comment added. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 15 hours ago, Navy Bird said: Here's my take on the Airfix 1:72 Bf 109E-4 - if you look closely you can see the centreline seam. It was a royal pain to make it in this scale. I didn't know about the offset when I built the kit, that would have made it even more of a pain! Cheers, Bill That's the Airfix kit? No way! What a beautiful job! Noticed you got the ailerons drooped with the flaps down! Well done, sir! Perfect choice of markings and a perfect paint/weathering job! Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Blecky Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 8:27 AM, cocky05d said: Hi ,looking through an model making magazine there was an article about building a 1/72 109, in the article he says that 109s had a center line panel line running along most of the top and the bottom of the fuselage having spent long time getting rid of the seam lines on 4 1/72 109s i am a bit peeved to say the least . Had a look on the interweb ,most models of 109s show no such line . Any views on the subject would be helpful. It's something that a lot of modelers miss. I believe that you will find this center line is also present on the Me.110 and other Messerschmitt aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 21 hours ago, Navy Bird said: Here's my take on the Airfix 1:72 Bf 109E-4 - if you look closely you can see the centreline seam. It was a royal pain to make it in this scale. I didn't know about the offset when I built the kit, that would have made it even more of a pain! Cheers, Bill Impressive looking model. Why was it a pain to add the seam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) On 02/11/2017 at 12:21 PM, Vanroon said: I am about to get back to a 1/48 Hasegawa kit. My plan was to mask parallel to the seam and fill to represent the overlap construction. G I don't see the point in doing this unless you are going to do the same to all the other fuselage lap joints - it will just look odd representing the same type of joint two different ways. I would just scribe it to match the rest. Edited November 4, 2017 by Tbolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 6 hours ago, 72modeler said: That's the Airfix kit? No way! What a beautiful job! Noticed you got the ailerons drooped with the flaps down! Well done, sir! Perfect choice of markings and a perfect paint/weathering job! Thanks Mike. Yeah, this is the new tool Airfix 109. WIP and RFI here. It's a sweet little kit, well worth the pocket change. I tried to get the ailerons down at 11 degrees 'cause I read somewhere that's the angle they were parked at. I know next to nothing about 109s, but I know that others do and they'd be checking me! I think the slats should also be deployed when on the ground, but in my case Der Erksters stowed them prior to the photo shoot. 38 minutes ago, Tbolt said: Impressive looking model. Why was it a pain to add the seam? Well, I decided to clean up the fuselage halves really well and just use the natural seam of the model. But I had to do it several times until I got a "panel line" that was consistent and finer than the other panel lines on the kit. Not difficult, just a pain. My first and only 109 model, by the way - I'm so contrarian. Cheers, Bill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Navy Bird said: Thanks Mike. Yeah, this is the new tool Airfix 109. WIP and RFI here. It's a sweet little kit, well worth the pocket change. I tried to get the ailerons down at 11 degrees 'cause I read somewhere that's the angle they were parked at. I know next to nothing about 109s, but I know that others do and they'd be checking me! I think the slats should also be deployed when on the ground, but in my case Der Erksters stowed them prior to the photo shoot. Well, I decided to clean up the fuselage halves really well and just use the natural seam of the model. But I had to do it several times until I got a "panel line" that was consistent and finer than the other panel lines on the kit. Not difficult, just a pain. My first and only 109 model, by the way - I'm so contrarian. Cheers, Bill Bill, Regarding your concern about having the slats on your model in, check out this great article I found recently; looks like you can have them in or out on the ground- check out Gunter Rall's comments; the man should know what he's talking about! If you look at photos, very few show the slats out. You done good, as we say here in the Lone Star state! Mike http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/techref/systems/control/slats/slats.htm Edited November 5, 2017 by 72modeler 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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