Rodders Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) hi All, I'm not at home at the moment so i hope i've got this right. i did a kit swap and have the hobbyboss Wildcat FM-1. i was thinking of trying to get some update parts but i'm a bit confused as the only thing i know if there are different Wildcat variants(F4F,etc). what i wanted to ask is are there updates that are the same for the FM1 and F4F,etc. thanks, rodders. Edited October 12, 2017 by Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 What scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Just now, Eric Mc said: What scale? sorry 1/48th cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 OK - I've built the 1/721 Hobbyboss Wildcat but it's such a basic little kit that I didn't think it would be worth upgrading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilh Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, Rodders said: hi All, I'm not at home at the moment so i hope i've got this right. i did a kit swap and have the hobbyboss Wildcat FM-1. i was thinking of trying to get some update parts but i'm a bit confused as the only thing i know if there are different Wildcat variants(F4F,etc). what i wanted to ask is are there updates that are the same for the FM1 and F4F,etc. thanks, rodders. What sort of updates are you thinking of? The kit itself is relatively new and quite nicely detailed. The Wildcat / Martlet can be a bit of a minefield with folding or no folding wings, 4or 6 guns, different cowls etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, neilh said: What sort of updates are you thinking of? The kit itself is relatively new and quite nicely detailed. The Wildcat / Martlet can be a bit of a minefield with folding or no folding wings, 4or 6 guns, different cowls etc! i was just thinking of cockpit and airframe updates. cheers, rodders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilh Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I have this reference data from an article by Bruce Archer on Hyperscale that may help. Wildcats- Martlet I: will take quite a bit of work, moving guns, and the cyclone engine Martlet II (Serials AM954-AM963): these were F4F-3s, which were, re-designated Mk.IIIs. Use the Hobby Boss F4F-3 (early) with the F4F-3 (late) canopy. Martlet II (serial AM964 –AM999) : These were F4F-4As, and did not have the carb scoop nor the intercooler scoops. Use the Tamiya or Hobby Boss F4F-4, with the scoops removed. Additionally, there was one other feature of these; these had an unique pitot which was above the wing on the port side, near the aileron. Martlet II ( serials AJ100-AJ153): These had the scoops deleted (carb and intercooler) but had the standard F4F-4 pitot. Martlet III: These were the ex-Greek order a/c and were F4F-3A a/c. So they lacked the intercooler scoops. Use the F4F-3 (early) with the F4F-3 (late) canopy from Hobby Boss. Martlet IV: A F4F-4B, Cyclone powered, Need to change the entire nose. Wildcat V: This was a FM-1. Use the Hobby Boss FM-1 Wildcat VI: A FM-1. Though Hobby Boss has a FM-2, it has the wrong cowl. Use the Sword kit, or combine the Sword and Hobby Boss FM-2s. Bruce Archer View Member Profile Add as Friend Send Message Find Member's Topics Find Member's Posts Hi! Here is a quick run down of the Martlet/Kit to use.. Martlet I- Needs major work. Need to change the locations of the two guns in each wing, need need shaped cowl which is shorter, and need to lengthen forward fuselage. There may be a conversion set coming. Martlet II- First ten use the Hobby Boss F4F-3 (late)with the F4F-3 (early) cowl, as these were F4F-3s AJ series Mk.II- Use the Hobby Boss or Tamiya F4F-4, remove the carb scoop and intercooler scoops. These also had a unique pitot on the upper port wing AM series Mk.II- Use the Hobby Boss or Tamiya F4F-4, remove the carb intake and intercooler scoops, and these had the standard F4F-4 Pitot Martlet III-ex-Mk.II these were standard F4F-3, use the Hiobby Boss F4F-3 (late), with the F4F-3 (early) cowl ex-Greek these were F4F-3Bs,use the Hobby Boss F4F-3 (early) with the F4F-3 late windscreen, or the Hobby Boss F4F-3 (late)with the F4F-3 (early) cowl, remove the intercooler scoops Martlet IV- as per the Martlet I Martlet V- Use the Hobby Boss FM-1 as is Martlet VI- The Sword kit is the closest to the actual aircraft, and the Hobby Boss kit has the wrong cowl. Perhaps a combo of the two? Or wait as there is a new conversion set coming... I do hope this helps. Go here to the article I wrote about the Wildcat in FAA service. It has a lot of the info you are looking for. http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/wildcatfaaba_1.htm Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Rodders said: i was just thinking of cockpit and airframe updates.  how much does it need? Or how much do you think it needs.  IIRC the HB kits are basically decent,  but if you are prepared to spend some time cross referencing that should give you the answer.  OK looks like Eduard didn't do them for the FM-1,but the F4F-4 and F4F-3, https://www.eduard.com/store/index.php?stoken=472AEC3A&force_sid=ec80dab4f9e57f74941347c2451ed316&lang=1¤cy=1&listtype=search&searchparam=f4f&cl=search&tpl=&fnc=executefilter&attrfilter[]=&attrfilter[17]=1%2F48  if you look at the individual items it shows them used, as well as pdf's of the instructions.   a look at Hannants, again nothing FM-1 specific https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?adv=1&product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=&product_type_id=&code=&scale_id=955&keyword_search=wildcat&setPerPage=75&sort=0&search_direction=0&save_search_name=&save_search=  AFAIK the FM-1 is very similar to the F4F-4, apart from the wing guns, and the interior colour @Bruce Archer would be able to say more on this though.   this is scans of the updated Detail and Scale http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Detail-Scale/65-Grumman-F4F  No FM-1 cockpit, but an FM-2, (and -4 and -3) so you can if much varies...  this is the earlier volume http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Detail-Scale/30-Grumman-F4F  which may help.  The main 'problem' with the FM-1 is there are not that many colour schemes, tri tone, Overall blue, Atlantic grey over white and Fleet Air Arm. Again, other will know more. try this http://www.angelfire.com/dc/jinxx1/Wildcat/F4FColors.html  also note the links at the bottom.  HTH T  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike romeo Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Coincidentally, I was just looking at this very kit in my stash last night. If it's accurate, it looks nicely detailed.  The only thing that caught my eye is that the prop hub looks a bit odd to me (the larger diameter cylinder looks like it protrudes in front of the blades too much), but I'm no expert. Easy fix, if so.  Regards  Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'm not a fan of the way the fabric- especially (or maybe even only) on the ailerons- looks. But that you could fix with a little sanding and such. If you're going to have the hood slid back, then I strongly recommend a vac replacement canopy- it'll sit much more properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Hi, Rodders,  Here you have the complete Hannants menu of aftermarket for a Wildcat.  https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=&code=&product_type_id=all_aircraft_accessories&scale_id=955&keyword_search=wildcat&setPerPage=25¤cy_id=  I have recently build a FM-1 as a Wildcat V and used just an Eduard Zoom set for the cockpit. However, there is a whole gamut of options, depending on how far you want to go. The "complete" Eduard set is quite comprehensive. A vacuformed hood is mandatory (Rob Taurus works wonderfully) to pose it open.  Wing guns and folding wing sets for F4F-4 or the Tamiya kit would work fine (beware FM-1 has only two guns per wing). A resin engine would also go, but there is really no need of that.  Hope that helps.  Fernando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Hi all, thanks for all the help. I've been thinking about it and i think i will just get a new seat as i think ultracast do one although Hannants don't list it i don't know if i could get one at Telford. Troy thanks for all the advice and the links, Cheers, Rodders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Rodders said: ultracast do one although Hannants don't list it i don't know if i could get one at Telford.  the UK distributor for Ultracast is now Soveriegn Hobbies, here's the Wildcat stuff https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/search?q=wildcat  @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies is a regular here, and is going to Telford AFAIK  HTH T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Troy Smith said:  the UK distributor for Ultracast is now Soveriegn Hobbies, here's the Wildcat stuff https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/search?q=wildcat  @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies is a regular here, and is going to Telford AFAIK  HTH T thanks Troy that's a great help, Cheers, Rodders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Hi folks. Troy is spot on as usual. It's available through our webstore and we'll be at Telford this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Hi folks. Troy is spot on as usual. It's available through our webstore and we'll be at Telford this year. Hi could i ask if you could bring one along although i don't know which one for the Wildcat FM1, Cheers, Rodders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 33 minutes ago, Rodders said: Hi could i ask if you could bring one along although i don't know which one for the Wildcat FM1, Cheers, Rodders.  @Bruce Archer would the the chap for this  I think for a British one this (sutton harness) https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/products/ultracast-1-48-f4f-wildcat-martlet-seat-48212  for an American one this https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/products/ultracast-1-48-grumman-f4f-wildcat-seats-with-harnesses-48029  the other is for an early type, and the FM-1 is late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 We'll have all our Ultracast stock with us at Telford... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/19/2017 at 3:21 PM, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: We'll have all our Ultracast stock with us at Telford... thank you that's great, Cheers, rodders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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