Skyhunter66 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Afternoon - currently finishing the HobbyBoss 1:48 Tornado F3 and the colour call out for the Skyflash and Aim 9's is white but I'm not so sure that is correct?? chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMP2 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Any help? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 45 minutes ago, Skyhunter66 said: Afternoon - currently finishing the HobbyBoss 1:48 Tornado F3 and the colour call out for the Skyflash and Aim 9's is white but I'm not so sure that is correct?? chris RAF Skyflash were never white. they were painted BS 381c 627 light aircraft grey. RAF AIM9L sidewinders were also never white, they were painted US gull Grey. Selwyn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMP2 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 The 9Ls look pretty white in the above photo, Selwyn. Trick of the light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyhunter66 Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 11 hours ago, Selwyn said: RAF Skyflash were never white. they were painted BS 381c 627 light aircraft grey. RAF AIM9L sidewinders were also never white, they were painted US gull Grey. Selwyn perfect - thanks Selwyn 11 hours ago, RMP2 said: Any help? excellent - many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 12 hours ago, RMP2 said: The 9Ls look pretty white in the above photo, Selwyn. Trick of the light? Must be. In all my career I have never seen a white AIM9L, though I have been told that the very first USN ones were this colour. The RAF missiles were Licence built in Europe and always Grey. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I'm not sure when the change in color came, but US Sparrows and Sidewinders were white up until (I think) the mid-80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 As Selwyn says, grey John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The two pics above show AIM-120 AMRAAMS and not Skyflash, however Skyflash were never White either always Lt Grey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 As Selwyn wasn't saying so are the AMRAAMS Are these Skyflash? This is all a bit modern for me I think I'm safe in saying these are Sidewinders? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, canberra kid said: As Selwyn wasn't saying so are the AMRAAMS Are these Skyflash? This is all a bit modern for me I think I'm safe in saying these are Sidewinders? John To be absolutely pedantic (as only a britmodeller can) These are actually Practice AIM 9L Sidewinders above. The Skyflash on the jets above are actually Drill rounds (Oxford blue rings and wing Disks). And to add even more pedantic waffle there were no Manufactured Drill Skyflash, they were actually modified Sparrow Practice rounds! Well flown 9L rounds judging by the badly eroded nose "Glass" (which IIRC were actually made of brown painted wood on practice rounds!) Selwyn (drops hand grenade and ducks for cover!) Edited October 7, 2017 by Selwyn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Thanks Selwyn, that clears that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Out of interest, how different is the Skyflash from the Sparrow-7E on which I've read it was based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 The Skyflash used a solid propellant instead of liquid fuels. It was Mach 4 capable. No doubt the experts will be able to tell you more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 3 hours ago, charlie_c67 said: Out of interest, how different is the Skyflash from the Sparrow-7E on which I've read it was based? When the first Skyflash appeared in 1978 it was actually half a sparrow, the difference was in what was called the forebody, from just behind the central wings to the nose which contained the new guidance electronics. The warhead and rocket motor was pure sparrow. It was overall externally exactly the same shape and dimensions as the sparrow. The main visual differences were the four proximity fuze antenna behind the radome and it was of course painted overall grey, and was carried by the UK Phantom. When the Tornado F2/3 came into service the missiles were modified to TEMP series (Tornado Embodied Modification Package). This involved updated electronics and the main visual difference was the introduction of two slots in the forebody and square holes in the vicinity of the rear hanger which on fitting to the aircraft launcher engaged with mounting blocks mounted on the Tornado's Frazer Nash eject launchers. The Pre TEMP missile could not be fitted to Tornado because of these blocks, but the TEMP was able to be fitted to the Phantom Aero 7 launchers. About 88/89 came the Super TEMP, again with improved electronics, the fitting of a new Rocket motor with a burn sustainer and some aerodynamic improvements, visual differences were that the two forebody wiring conduits had rounded rear surfaces, the fin mountings on the rocket motor were faired in as opposed to two block like mountings, and the central wings were of thinner section with their base mountings painted white to differentiate between the earlier standard. Bentwaters; Both the Sparrow and Skyflash always used solid fuel rockets. Selwyn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Selwyn said: Bentwaters; Both the Sparrow and Skyflash always used solid fuel rockets. Selwyn I stand corrected. I was recently told by an ex USAF techie that Skyflash was re powered as I described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) So fairly distinct differences and a not particularly well served missile for the modelling community. From memory the Italeri ones are just generic detail light shapes Anyone any good at CAD drawings?! Edited October 8, 2017 by charlie_c67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 07/10/2017 at 2:01 PM, Selwyn said: there were no Manufactured Drill Skyflash, they were actually modified Sparrow Practice rounds! Well flown 9L rounds judging by the badly eroded nose "Glass" (which IIRC were actually made of brown painted wood on practice rounds!) Selwyn (drops hand grenade and ducks for cover!) Edited yesterday at 02:07 PM by Selwyn Two things I didn't know! Always learning on here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paramedic Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 And then we have the Swedish RB 71, license-built Sky Flash. I guess it is not the same colour as the Uk ones? Clicky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Paramedic said: And then we have the Swedish RB 71, license-built Sky Flash. I guess it is not the same colour as the Uk ones? Clicky! No Idea! but then this thread is titled "Tornado F3 Skyflash and Aim colours" which kind of rules out swedish missiles anyway! Selwyn Edited October 9, 2017 by Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paramedic Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Fair enough! Just wanted to show that the Swedish derivates did not seem to adhere to the rules above - though I am not sure..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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