JOCKNEY Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 As some light relief from cutting and sanding the Perth, I thought I would have a go at a parallel build of the Beriev BE-4. This kit kit is a typical, brittle plastic kit from the old eastern block, with lots of flash and no doubt a dubious fit. However given the number of parts I hope to get this kit finished this week while I an working away from home. "Famous last works of many a modeller" Right more later, time to stop posting and start building cheers Pat 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 Err, anyone know what colour the interior should be ? cheers Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 I think I've got Vacforms on the brain, even this injection kit is starting to look like a Vacform. Perhaps I had better call it a night ! 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrlx Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Hi Pat, A second entry at such a short notice is to be commended The little thingy looks pretty basic but the aircraft is quite interesting! Good luck, hope the fit is not too bad. Cheers Jaime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philp Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, JOCKNEY said: Err, anyone know what colour the interior should be ? cheers Pat Looks like lots of conjecture on Russian interior colors. Here are a few references that don't necessarily agree with each other http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_soviet.htm https://www.cybermodeler.com/color/cockpit.shtml And this: Russians used some different primers for both metal and wooden parts preservation.for metalA-14 Stalnoj - steel - Humbrol 156 , FS x7200ALG-1 - dirty yellow - Humbrol 81 , FS33481ALG-5 - grey green - , FS x4670Grunt mataliczeskij - blue green - Humbrol 122 , FS34664for woodAerolak dierewjannyj - grey blue - Humbrol128 , FS x6320At the beginning of the war it was AII aljumnij ( aluminium, silver ) FS17178 Humbrol 56,11. Hopefully someone on here has some better info. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 This one is pretty, but it can be a bit of a challenge Pat ! I had a go at it around 12 years ago. Nothing much fitted together nicely, so a lot of filler and clamping was needed. That said, it does look very nice in the end . Humbrol filler was my friend. You're not wrong regarding seeing vac forms everywhere; the old story behind this kit was that it was a copy of a Wings 72 Vacform kit, but that the original Vacform went together better due to it being thinner plastic. It's not often a vac form is used as the basis for i/m, but this is what I gleaned at the time. This is the Wings 72 kit; it apparently had resin details too: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/168858-vac-wings-vw7223-beriev-be-4-kor-2 I have some other Wings 72 Vac forms and they're ok; Heinkel He-46 and Heinkel He-60. Both have since been superceded by injection moulded kits, but in both cases, with a lot of scratch detailing, the kits produce nice models. The engine on the He-46 was a bit mind boggling for me; that one beat me. I'm sorry I can't really help with the interior colour beyond that; early WWII Soviet aircraft (I was advised) often had silver grey interiors. It's a mix, a recipe, so the colour/tone varies. It was around the cheapest protective coating that could be made at the time. Pre 1943, AFAIK only two Be-2 were made, at a different factory to the later batch. I noticed on the instruction sheet one scheme from 1941. It could be ok to assume that at least this one had the silver grey interior? I used Tamiya aluminium with a bit of grey in it for a couple of LaGG 3 aircraft last year; the original 1:1 is a wood/resin aircraft (kind of). Photos do show a silvery grey or just plain light grey interior. Looking forward to seeing you bash this into submission, you'll do it, no problem ! Best regards TonyT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggles.w Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 5 hours ago, JOCKNEY said: I thought I would have a go at a parallel build .. putting us all to shame! But the more viewing pleasure for us, thank you 🤓 Great subject, happy (rapid!) building! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 HULK BASH!! You may need a little pure force to get this one into shape. Good luck on the kit! It looks like a very nice design, just a bit of a rough kit. Greg in OK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 As you might have guessed there are a few quality issues with this kit as you can see, it's not going to fit inside no matter what the instructions say, lots of filing fitting and more filing did the trick only to find the float moulding is also not the best ! I think it's fair to say that these floats wouldn't ! Then the blooming cheapskates have only given me half the seats, no really ! Look at the instructions below in iii) you appear to be asked to make a box, well actually 2 of them, they then reappear with the seat back in iv) Here a photo of the seat backs, you will see there is 3 of them, but they miss the rear one out of the instructions altogether Without access to the spares box ill have to improvise cheers Pat 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 This kit is turning into an absolute sod, so much for the easy build while away from home for a few days. Homemade seats in, sorry I couldn't face grey seats in a grey interior, so I poshed them up by painting them a different colour. Apologies to the local modelling commissars if this is politically incorrect, and not in the spirit of socialism The wings represent an interesting challenge, with seemingly no means of attaching them together see photos below. Side on view below shows you the challenge, i.e. No location or fixing points So two Guinness's later I think I have the solution A third Guinness and forget the whole thing ? NO but good answer anyway... Use the sprue as a splint / brace between the 2 parts, which to make life just a bit more difficult are at an angle i.e. Gullwing but not as pronounced as say a Corsair. I had hoped to have this assembled tonight painting tomorrow, I now don't think that's going to happen Wing splints in place cheers Pat 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexN Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Crikey! Not what you'd hope for a quick away-from home build :(. You seem to be overcoming the problems in fine form though, Pat. Cheers, Alex <-- not a poorly-designed kit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrlx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Pat, the kit is really bad but you are rising to the challenge brilliantly! Well done on the wings! Cheers Jaime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 If you had been at home you could easily have made tabs for the wings from card. However the sprue pins are just as good and will no doubt be strong enough. I hope that you have your tube of filler with you because you are going to need it! Obviously not a quick build - which is a relief because mine isn't going to be either!! P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggles.w Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Keep at it tiger, the subject is well worth the effort, & sure you can do it justice .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Getting a bit distracted by "Shades of Grey" on the telly, can't think why .... Well I didn't know you could use model clamps for that ! Every days a school day 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Hi Pat, Looks like a challenging kit, but an interesting subject. I have barely managed to wash the spues on my project! Regards, David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandboof Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Good luck Hang in there Martin H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerbannog Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Brave man! But a very good pace and nice looking subject. René Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 07/09/2017 at 11:51 AM, Dazey said: Hi Pat, Looks like a challenging kit, but an interesting subject. I have barely managed to wash the spues on my project! Regards, David Thanks David Come on in the waters lovely ! Look forward to seeing your own build, the range to kits is just brilliant cheers Pat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Hi Pat, Have you received drawings in e-mail? Cheers J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Hi Jerzy Yes I have thanks very much, I only hope mine looks simular to the ones in the pictures ! cheers Pat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 9 hours ago, JOCKNEY said: Hi Jerzy Yes I have thanks very much, I only hope mine looks simular to the ones in the pictures ! cheers Pat Pat, This Polish kit is very basic. It is like a rough bullion - to have a tasty soup of it one have to add a lot of ingredients. I have it in my stash of course, but still have not done it yet. I wish your sour "soup" will be tasty Regards J-W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaPlane Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Afternoon Pat Keep at it my friend - you'll get there in the end!! To rub salt into your angst and heartache - i don't recall my copy of this beast being that bad; its now resident flying gracefully from under the middle shelf above a selection of Luft 46 models! By 'Shades of Grey' you were of course referring to the Tamiya colour charts and the myriad nuances of that tone? !! Take Care Andrew 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 23 hours ago, SeaPlane said: Afternoon Pat Keep at it my friend - you'll get there in the end!! To rub salt into your angst and heartache - i don't recall my copy of this beast being that bad; its now resident flying gracefully from under the middle shelf above a selection of Luft 46 models! By 'Shades of Grey' you were of course referring to the Tamiya colour charts and the myriad nuances of that tone? !! Take Care Andrew That is indeed rubbing it in Shades of Grey, sound a bit like the description of an Audi paint chart cheers Pat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 You're doing a grand job Pat . I like the improvisation with the kit sprue to provide wing locators. I'm sure the local commissar wouldn't mind a bit of leather on the seats . Best regards TonyT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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