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ProfSparks

100 Years #2 - Fairey Swordfish

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Hi All

 

Squeezing a time window in here

 

On 9/7/2017 at 0:52 AM, stevehnz said:

I could suggest finding a photo of the one you want to do however, finding a photo of the Esmond machine is reputably up there with the Holy Grail & rocking horse manure. :(

Steve

Thanks Steve, so I can do it either way and no-one will ever know :wicked:

 

The cockpit has received some extra struttage

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And looks slightly less fictional.

 

Ok, so I went and cut the windows out too

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They are right on the front of the cockpit floor, so the offending corners were removed

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It should look ok in there, as it'll be dark, and small, and hidden behind a wing brace

 

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Where the control cables emerge from the rear of the fuselage also received some attention. with the small bulges being cut from a cotton bud stalk

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I'll blend them in a bit so they don't look so angular, but no time this time :waiting:

 

 

Comments and suggestions welcome

 

Cheers

Steve

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Pretty much I reckon Steve. I've seen enough discussion over the years to make me believe that there is no certainty as to whether Esmonde's squadron's machine were finished in standard camo or black undersurfaces for what was expected to be a night action. There are proponents for both. In Airfix's Channel Dash giftset, they gave a colour call as an all over night finish. Some discussion on this scheme from earlier threads. here & here. If this doesn't confuse you you're doing well, but as you said, who can criticize.

Steve.

 

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May I jump in?

A friend showed me his reference books which had it that all over night finish was not in use on Swordfish until after the Channel dash operation

However; my neurosurgeon is Eugene Esmonde's nephew, [and is named for him] and in casual conversation with him during checkups he says that family photos show the Swordfish all over 'very dark',  ie no lighter camouflage showing on the upper parts

And there again Esmonde's Swordfish might have been repainted just before the operation

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Hi All

 

Just another quickie.

 

Reading through the many varied accounts of this aircraft (initiated by stevehnz and Black Knight, thanks guys :S), there seems to be a consensus that at least some of the aircraft was painted black.

However, there is enough indication on both sides of the "Underside vs All over" black as to make neither finish definitive :worms:.

 

One thing is for sure though, this aint it!

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(Apart from this showing a Mk.I, whereas the actual kit parts are Mk.II :violin:)

 

Anyhoo, I'm going to plump for the "Just the underside repaint" camp (as there's a shed load of greys to use with this multi boxing), and it looks more interesting than all over plain black.

 

Here's a convenient scheme, looks like it's from A04053 ( the bottom right corner), but the actual kit doesn't support this assumption?

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Quiz time again...

 

Where would this differ from the potential 825 Squadron repaint? I'm thinking mostly about the waistline, the roundel type and position, the code letters size and location, and the tail flash?

 

Is this as close as I'd hoped or should I look elsewhere?

 

 

But enough pontification.

 

The internals turned out ok with a lick of paint, they'll be straightened out and tidied up once installed

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I'll raise the pilot seat too.

 

 

Comments and suggestions welcome

 

Cheers

Steve

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10 minutes ago, ProfSparks said:

Quiz time again...

 

Where would this differ from the potential 825 Squadron repaint? I'm thinking mostly about the waistline, the roundel type and position, the code letters size and location, and the tail flash?

 

Is this as close as I'd hoped or should I look elsewhere?

 

Roundel type first; the type we call C & C1 did not come into use until July 1942, so the ones in those schematics are right

 

The rest? your guess is as good as anyone's.

I would agree with you on just the lowers being black [although I did mine overall black ~ time to do another version I think]

A low demarcation as in the Taranto raid scheme

Roundels under the wings, maybe, maybe not, ~ I would go for not

 

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Air Ministry order of July 1941

II.   Markings of British Aircraft

5. (i)  Upper surfaces.- Red and blue roundels are to be carried on the upper surfaces of the wing tips.

(ii)  Side of fuselage.- Red, white and blue roundel surrounded by yellow ring is to be carried on each side of the fuselage.

(iii)  Fin markings.- Vertical red, white and blue stripes (with red stripe leading).

(iv) Under-surfaces.- (a) Roundels are not to be carried on the under-surfaces of operational aircraft, except day fighters, which may carry red, white and blue roundels.  On black under-surfaces of day fighters the roundel is to be surrounded by a yellow ring.

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On 07/09/2017 at 7:42 AM, ProfSparks said:

However, from the same thread comes

Fairey Swordfish II HS618 at the Fleet Air Arm Museum. Pics thanks to Mish.

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This view is to my eye reminiscent of a latter Fairey aircraft. Lose the cowling and outboard engine as well as the top wing and think of a graceful seabird doing a double mamba. Such rugged engineering.

 

Back on topic, your build is coming along very nicely, lots of proper modelling as opposed to sticking bits together. 

 

The cockpit pit looks the part. 

 

Cheers, Andrew

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Hi All

 

Flying visit to The Lab!

 

Had a quick go at cleaning up the parts prior to painting.

 

Those old Airfix fellas like belt AND braces on their sprue gates

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But never mind, I took the plunge and started glueing the interior in, with a dry fit of the minimalist IP.

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That corner will have to come off to allow the MG to poke through the cowling.

 

Wait, scratch build two guns now :blink:?

 

Hey ho, onward with the fuselage coming together.

 

A slight fly in the otherwise cloudy ointment is the access for fitting the glazing to those carefully hacked out Bomb Aimer's windows.

I thought I might be able to fit them down from inside the pilot's area, but looking at it closed up I think not now.

 

So the area where the lower wing attaches was cut open

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Should be alright now.

 

That being sorted, the IP got a wash of matt Black 33 with the instruments picked out in satin Coal Black 85, as there are no decals

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Is it just me, or has it the look of a Deadly Spider about it... :spider:?

 

Regardless, I've started joining the two halves together where they touch, and will be working along it in due course.

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Thso.

 

Back to the subject of paint and markings finish.

 

On 9/23/2017 at 11:15 PM, Black Knight said:

Roundel type first; the type we call C & C1 did not come into use until July 1942, so the ones in those schematics are right

 

The rest? your guess is as good as anyone's.

I would agree with you on just the lowers being black [although I did mine overall black ~ time to do another version I think]

A low demarcation as in the Taranto raid scheme

Roundels under the wings, maybe, maybe not, ~ I would go for not

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Air Ministry order of July 1941

II.   Markings of British Aircraft

 

5. (i)  Upper surfaces.- Red and blue roundels are to be carried on the upper surfaces of the wing tips.

 

(ii)  Side of fuselage.- Red, white and blue roundel surrounded by yellow ring is to be carried on each side of the fuselage.

 

(iii)  Fin markings.- Vertical red, white and blue stripes (with red stripe leading).

 

(iv) Under-surfaces.- (a) Roundels are not to be carried on the under-surfaces of operational aircraft, except day fighters, which may carry red, white and blue roundels.  On black under-surfaces of day fighters the roundel is to be surrounded by a yellow ring.

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Excellent insight, thanks Black Knight, no roundels on the bottom then (but why would day fighters have a black under-surfaces?)

 

Also, the Taranto Raid Swordfish are depicted in various schemes, with a letter on the fuselage

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/navy-commemorates-70th-anniversary-of-battle-of-taranto

 

And without

http://worldwartwodaily.filminspector.com/2016/11/november-12-1940-molotov-takes-berlin.html

(A shot down Swordfish being recovered, about a third of the way down)

 

Is the jury still out.

 

 

Anyhoo, evidence notwithstanding, I'm going for the A04053 scheme.

 

But probably the letter not on the fuselage, but possibly smaller on the tail fin?

 

And possibly narrow Red/White/Blue stripes on there too?

 

This Gift Set seems to be a gift for someone you don't like.

 

 

Comments, suggestions, and a better idea welcome

 

Cheers

Steve

 

 

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Nice progress Steve, deadly spider and all :)

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Really superb detail work on the interior Steve :thumbsup2: .

I enjoy reading research like this on specific aircraft. You’re doing a great job.

 

Thank you for letting me know about the resistors, that’s very kind. I have some vintage hi-fi from the 70’s and 80’s, I do need a few bits and bobs.

 

Quite ironically, compared to the electrical equipment, my HMV wind up gramophone still works perfectly, and probably still would after yet another world war :giggle:! It doesn’t, however, sound quite as nice as the old Garrard deck, Akai amplifier and Wharfedale speakers (when they’re all working well) :headphones: .

 

I’ll send a PM regarding the Prof. Sparks parts :thumbsup2: .

 

Looking forward to the next instalment.

 

Best regards

TonyT

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Hi All

 

Sorry for the hiatus, real life etc.

 

Been thinking about the wing struts and general rigging.

 

This is what Airfix have, where the struts are joined upper and lower

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I'm hoping to detach the lower piece between the struts and blend it into the wing, glue the struts into the upper wing in one piece and see how it goes.

 

But first have to rig the cross wires as I doubt I'll be able to get in there once the struts are in position.

 

Got ten 0.2mm drills from China, £2.40 including postage!

 

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And rigged with that 0.074mm fishing line

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They're not perpendicular to the wings, so some fettling will be needed

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That's it for now, roll on January!

 

 

Comments and suggestions welcome

 

Cheers

Steve

 

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Nice rigging Steve, good job :)

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On 23/09/2017 at 10:46 PM, ProfSparks said:

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Steve - you’re making a lovely job of this (particular hat tip re rigging).  A lot better than Hornby’s proof-readers; it’s quite an achievement to spell Lieutenant wrong two different ways in the same sentence...

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Hi All

 

Snuck into the Lab while no-one was looking :pirate:

 

21 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

Steve - you’re making a lovely job of this (particular hat tip re rigging).  A lot better than Hornby’s proof-readers; it’s quite an achievement to spell Lieutenant wrong two different ways in the same sentence...

Thanks, good catch :D! Must admit to being more interested in the pretty pictures than the words. (And thanks to Microsoft for Spell Check.)

 

 

Anyhoo, only way to get these circling thoughts out of my head was to get on and do it.

 

Marked up the ends of the brace bits so they were identifiable once cut

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and cut them

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Ever had what Douglas Adams would call an Ely?

 

Regardless, I brazenly channeled  Mr W. Heath Robinson into a jig for holding the wings steady while I glued the strut assembly into the lower surface of the upper wing (other soups are available)

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All nice and square

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Then flipped it all over, and glued the cut out spacer parts into the upper surface of the lower wing.

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That's how it rests tonight.

Best outcome is the struts are easily removable from the lower wing.

However, chances are I've glued everything solid, and will have to smash it apart to get them separated again.

 

 

Comments and suggestions for a better way to do all this welcome

 

Cheers

Steve

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An Ely? (The first, tiniest inkling you get that something, somewhere, has gone terribly wrong.)

Looks good to me Steve.

I love 'The Meaning of Liff'; must read it again :D

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