Learstang Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Ah, who doesn't love the Sunderland! She should look brilliant in the Bomber Command-type scheme. I can't say I've seen one done in that. I recently bought the Mk.III kit and I don't regret it one bit - nice kit with nice details, and unlike many I don't mind the surface detail as my over-enthusiasm with the airbrush tends to overpower more 'scale' engraved lines. Best of luck with this one! Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in OK Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 That looks like a very good start. I have the old Airfix version (which I will not be building) and can only say that I would take those trenches over the 6" rivets covering the Airfix kit. Good luck with the kit, it looks like it will be fun to build. Greg in OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Greg in OK said: That looks like a very good start. I have the old Airfix version (which I will not be building) and can only say that I would take those trenches over the 6" rivets covering the Airfix kit. Good luck with the kit, it looks like it will be fun to build. Greg in OK Don't waste the Airfix one in your stash mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 7 hours ago, Greg in OK said: That looks like a very good start. I have the old Airfix version (which I will not be building) and can only say that I would take those trenches over the 6" rivets covering the Airfix kit. Good luck with the kit, it looks like it will be fun to build. Greg in OK 7 hours ago, PLC1966 said: Don't waste the Airfix one in your stash mate. Bear in Mind Gents, that the Italeri Kits (Mk I/III) have their Own "Accuracy" Issues -and that's not the Trench panel lines or "Fictitious" Riveting...... Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Rivets on old Airfix models are just Gods way (other deities are available) of saying buy more Micromesh... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.SAUNDERS Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 hi ALL , the Sunderland has NEVER bin called "The Fyin' Pig " by the Crew, NEVER thought of their Aircraft as a "Pig " more of an Aircraft that they knew would get them through ALL the XXXX that wot was shot at them ........ and git Home . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 2 hours ago, G.E.SAUNDERS said: hi ALL , the Sunderland has NEVER bin called "The Fyin' Pig " by the Crew, NEVER thought of their Aircraft as a "Pig " more of an Aircraft that they knew would get them through ALL the XXXX that wot was shot at them ........ and git Home . Sorry if the title offended you, but I saw it online somewhere when reading up on this fine aircraft. I know later variants was referred to as th"Porcupine" by the German Pilots for their defensive capabilities. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 OK folks, thanks for the comments, and you will find refreshments in the kitchen. Some concerns about the panel lines!!!. Yep, they are deep, but we will see what a couple of coats of Alcad 2 Primer/micro filler will do. Well, wings assembled now and drying. The ailerons needed a bit of TLC on the trailing edge, but a swish of putty and swash of filing sorted the probs out. Clamped and setting. The "Light" recesses will need attention me thinks. The other wing is done as well , so both have been left to dry for now. Next the fuselage, and all those lovely port-holes mmmmmh. All comments welcome. Simon. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Nice progress, Simon It looks like a regular Italeri kit, fit-wise (not necessarily a good thing, I reckon ) 14 minutes ago, Spookytooth said: The "Light" recesses will need attention me thinks. In cases like that, I use very thin plastic card - 0.1mm or less, shaped on the recess I need to fill (using tape to copy the actual shape) and glued in with Tamiya Green Cap. You then just need to drill the hole again and you're fine. I did something similar in my Macchi thread, if you remember - but it's also very similar to what you did with the U/C doors in your Spitphoon build. HTH Ciao 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, giemme said: Nice progress, Simon It looks like a regular Italeri kit, fit-wise (not necessarily a good thing, I reckon ) In cases like that, I use very thin plastic card - 0.1mm or less, shaped on the recess I need to fill (using tape to copy the actual shape) and glued in with Tamiya Green Cap. You then just need to drill the hole again and you're fine. I did something similar in my Macchi thread, if you remember - but it's also very similar to what you did with the U/C doors in your Spitphoon build. HTH Ciao Cheers Giemme, I had very similar in mind, but I need to check the clear bits fit first, in case of any tolerance not taken in to consideration. Simon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Those Berna clamps look dead handy there Simon. Nice progress! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Great stuff Simon - you're encouraging me to build my Mk III 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, CedB said: Great stuff Simon - you're encouraging me to build my Mk III Go on Ced, go for it, she not a bad kit mate. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, TheBaron said: Those Berna clamps look dead handy there Simon. Nice progress! Yep Tony, the wings had a slight bow at the front, so out with the Berna`s. I hope that the rest of the kit goes smoothly as this did. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 OK folks, I was going to do the port holes tonight but did not have enough time , so. I selected the tail planes and rudder assemblies to do. With a quick clean up and dry fit, they were glued together. Leave alone for the night to set. Then a little light polishing to wings and bits tomorrow, probably. Right, I am off to bed soon. All comments welcome. Simon. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.SAUNDERS Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 hi Spookytooth , yes, I have heard that the Sunderlaland was called the "Porcupine " by the Germans as the AIRCRAFT was very hard to approach without bein' stung ! A Pig squeels when approached and bothered the Sunderland said nuthin' and keep its Enemies at bay. .......... sometimes for hours or until the Attackers were runin' outa Fuel and had to go Home . There were no 30 second engagements ! Geoff F.T.G. 3156 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I really cannot see the crews calling the Beaufighter Whispering death, the Typhoon the Can Opener or the Sunderland the Flying Porcupine, seems more like journalistic licence. Flying Pig is far more likely a name as used by the crews. As for the model, I really like the look of this Sunderland and the work you are doing on it. Like the idea of the 'Bomber Command' Colours. Different. I wonder what the thinking behind the scheme was. Having read about 230Sqn in WWII there is no obvious operational reason for it on a Sunderland in the Med. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 hours ago, PLC1966 said: I really cannot see the crews calling the Beaufighter Whispering death, the Typhoon the Can Opener or the Sunderland the Flying Porcupine, seems more like journalistic licence. Flying Pig is far more likely a name as used by the crews. As for the model, I really like the look of this Sunderland and the work you are doing on it. Like the idea of the 'Bomber Command' Colours. Different. I wonder what the thinking behind the scheme was. Having read about 230Sqn in WWII there is no obvious operational reason for it on a Sunderland in the Med. I agree with you on the journalistic licence bit sir. As for the colour scheme for the Eastern Med, I have no idea why those colours were chosen. Perhaps Italeri got it wrong? If any one can shed light on this matter it would be appreciated. Simon. Down South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 A quick update. You know I said that the fit was good with the wings, well not so good as I found out in the morning. The Port wing aileron had slipped out of it`s location. So I was able slip it back in Fnar Fnar , and attack it with a drop of C/A. Then used a pair of pliers to close the gap. We will see after a coat of primer how that looks. But looking at the other wing parts I may of found the problem. Like a silly bugger I had forgot to check the groove the flaps sit in. A little unwanted residue of plastic can stop it from fitting correctly. That and the outer pins on the ailerons are quite fine as well means that a bit more care was needed. Anyhow a pic of the work in hand to do. Clean up this lot. All comments welcome. Simon. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Steady progress there, Simon Those panel lines on the main wings look rather thick, don't they? Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I too made the Airfix Sunderland, many years ago (mine had a 25-pounder gun in the nose, for use when attacking U-boats), this one looks much nicer and I can see myself investing in one. I'm not sure about the colour scheme Italeri give, Dark Earth & Dark Green over Night seems wrong. I had a quick search on line and the only thing I could find was this profile: Notice that the profile clearly doesn't have Night undersides. I also found this thread about DE & DG/ Night Sunderlands. http://theflyingboatforum.forumlaunch.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=890 and this: https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?105072-Early-Short-Sunderland-colours As my friend Troy Smith says, never trust a profile without a photograph. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 An absolute classic choice simon, nice work Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 22 hours ago, Beard said: Notice that the profile clearly doesn't have Night undersides Thanks for getting back Beard, I have had a few raised eyebrows about the colour scheme. This does pose the question, which colour for the underside on the last of those 4 pics? Sky or NMF? People help!!!!!! Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Spookytooth said: Thanks for getting back Beard, I have had a few raised eyebrows about the colour scheme. This does pose the question, which colour for the underside on the last of those 4 pics? Sky or NMF? People help!!!!!! Simon. My reference books are in the loft and I'm watching Top of the Pops but I think Sky, but am more than happy to be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Beard said: My reference books are in the loft and I'm watching Top of the Pops but I think Sky, but am more than happy to be proved wrong. Cheers Beard, Sky it is, it seems to match the other schemes. Anyhow there could be a fair amount of NMF showing once I have finished her . Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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