71chally Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, hendie said: Isn't that the pull cord that you start the engine with? I had one of those on my old lawnmower. 6 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: We used to try that gag on sprog Tiffs (inexperienced Artificers, for those who don’t speak military). Although this photo was set up for 'Flight', this was a genuine (and fleeting!) idea by an engineering officer on 820 Sqn at RNAS Eglinton C.1957 to start Gannets if they landed away to somewhere without cartridges or air start, and presumably lots of fit and willing Jack Tars! The rope was wound around the spinner and the aircraft end of the rope had an adapted arrestor hook end which fitted over a prop blade, designed to disengage when pulled away. Needless to say it didn't work, they couldn't run fast enough to get a Mamba up to lighting speed. One can only imagine what would have happened if the engine started and the hook got caught! Gannet AS.1 XA394 325 B wind up by James Thomas, on Flickr Edited December 30, 2017 by 71chally 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 At Connel airfield near Oban in the early 80s,usually reliable Walter refused to start as the wind was blowing straight into the exhausts. The two local flying club guys thought I was taking the p when I asked if they would mind giving us a push. (turned it nose to wind and started first time) That's an excellent photo James,thanks for posting it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 @perdu those wing strips mentioned in Massimos' post are fitted to XA466. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 extra masked primer build up perhaps on mine later, I dont fancy getting them etched and fitted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 As always stunning engineering work going on here, looking forward to more of the same Best wishes for 2018 Roger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 Well I did eventually get to here Not sure it was a good idea because of adding detail to the wings and things but its done now Having to borrow the Eastern Ex ones finlets to cast a new pair because I lost the ones off this kit back in the mists of time Oh well laters guys 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, perdu said: Not sure it was a good idea looks like a good idea from where I'm sitting 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, hendie said: looks like a good idea from where I'm sitting Same here, she is really taking shape now Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just found this thread while looking for COD info for my 48th build later in the year, after just starting it last year.... You're doing a cracking job perdu. The nose seems to be an issue generally, even the much Lauded Classic Airframes kit leaves a bit to be desired. Seeing chally's pictures of the rear cockpit my first job will be removing my attempt. Ho Hum. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Love that peek in at a classy cockpit inside an unfinished body - a tantalising glimpse of the future! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Cracking work Perdu, interior looks just so! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 Along with a little art class stuff I'm doing tonight I have to work out how best to do the incidence thingmys on the tailplanes There is a kind of cover at the junction with the fin which seems to cover a slide mechanism I'm trying to see if there is a gap where the tailplane joins the front as the kit 'planes are a bit meh Anyway the skin detailing is under way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 4+ to the rescue at a gallop The tailplane is hinged at the front spar and hydraulically controlled according to the needs of the aircraft in flight Also linked to the operation of the flaps Right, on with that then next 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 There isn't a gap I'm afraid, unlike the Canberra the Gannet has covers, top and underside, that cover any gap and the operating mechanism. The tailplane incidence only changes in conjunction with the flaps, ie not for in flight trimming purposes, so as the flaps travel down the tailplane decreases in incidence. Basically, only change the tailplane incidence if you are modelling flaps deployed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just reading about that in the magic book, there's a nice photo of a Gannet landing with the tailplane incidence set for landing with the flaps I was not going to change the tailplane position anyway, just seeking information of any gap Pleased and relieved that I can smooth the tailplanes into the fin and model the protecting plates, thanks James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) This is one of the clearest shots I have showing the tailplane incidence being changed through the flap position. Gannet AS.4 XA426 Farnborough by James Thomas, on Flickr The idea came about originally because due to the contstant speed nature of the engine the props had to change pitch for the varying power/speed regimes, on approach to a carrier these could be quite demanding and caused an issue with the elevator control in some positions. The flap/tailplane link was the fix, however it was deleted for the AEW.3. Gannet COD.4 XA466 tailplane join by James Thomas, on Flickr Gannet COD.4 XA466 tailplane join by James Thomas, on Flickr Hopefully these will help with those tailplane junction panels Edited January 3, 2018 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I just love threads like this where I can learn more about the actual aircraft and its intricacies. Many thanks for your input James! Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Lately she's grown quickly !!! It's really getting on well!!! Have you panned anything for the flaps? will they be extended or retracted? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 Well look at that, right at the front of the tailplane's edge, a slight slot So if I make the fillets top and bottom the slight slot at the front will be kosher Purrups Massimo I intend doing massive work on the flaps in another lifetime and a different kit I really hope a: there is reincarnation and b: there are still Frog kits to play with when I come back 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just a good night all shot The area marked out where the strengthening fillets are to go Thinking about marking them out on the wing skin then implying them (they are not very thick when in place even though they are visible) them with a thin layer of Mr Dissolved Putty, then removing the masking I plan to put on leaving a very shallow stiffener in relief ciao chaps 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 The underside fairings are shaped slightly differently, I don't have a good shot handy, but Primeportal has! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 Nicely useful Again thank you James, this would have been an even more mediocre model without your massive input Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) I very much doubt that! Almost 30 years ago I started writing a book on the Gannet, I've met many interesting 'Gannet' people on the way but it still remains a manuscript - if I can impart some of that info here and it helps a little, then it brings me some joy! Edited January 4, 2018 by 71chally 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 I'm damned certain we already get more joy out of your book So finish it and I'll buy one 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Don't you just love it when you come home from the sales shop OK My LMS isn't given to frequently discounting stuff, but does have a good supply of unexpected stuff Who told him about Tamiya's Curvy Line masking tape huh? He was always just a decent supplier of glue and Humbrol but these days he has lots of unexpected stuff Citadel and Alclad paints, all the ranges of Vallejo I know of and even Revell paints A pleasure to spend twenty or thirty quid there these days Can I just use... ? ps, the resin I ordered at the weekend just landed too, yeehaw! Edited January 4, 2018 by perdu 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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