huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, 71chally said: Having consulted the Gannet maintenance course notes Which he just happened to have ready for perusing ! That's one of the reasons I enjoy this site. So many people with a vast amount of knowledge which they are happy to share. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 I think I shall defer to the guys at Faireys thanks James 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 It could be just that a well is an integral part of the whole (the wing structure forming most of it), and a bay is a separate item with its own structure. Just my thru'penny bit's worth.... Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 In this picture,has the fairing in front of the rear canopy been replaced with a clear one or is it just a reflection (as I suspect) Intended to just add this as a nice Gannet picture then noticed that bit. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) hmm Basing this simply on looking at that damnable picture (haven't you lot realised I can over-complicate my builds alone, let alone picking up on streams of consciousness from my friends?) it looks like a real window It seems that the curved bit behind the front edge of the canopy extension /tunnel? is following exactly enough the curve of the other side to be a clear bit We'd best wait for Mr Gannet to give us the skinny on this I reckon James? So I went looking in my little treasure chest Looks as if that 'window' is on the first in this familiar line up too, must/might be a COD thing Edited November 28, 2017 by perdu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I don't see that fairing as clear though in that pic. Looking at many pics of CODs but that one of XA466 is the only one that looks clear hence my suspicion that it is a reflection. In this pic of her in later life it is obviously solid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) I have come to terms/am coming to terms with my problem I am more than a lot OCD about detail, if I see it I want to do it justice As if detail actually cares, huh! Anyway this picture and its kin have given me much pause for thought observe The nose gear bay of a COD Gannet Observe the delightful bridge structure that holds the leg hinge The auxiliary struts that push and pull various bits of the operating gubbinses the little ventilated normally open doors The doubled up round filter cans behind the intake ducts The ....well, all of it I have to do at least some of it surely? Having been fortunate to have been directed here many moons ago by Garth N I have discovered a world of kindred spirits So its all your fault OK! I started out with a basic Frog/Novo Gannet kit, picked up some etch and resin en-route to here and then was sent by a dear friend a set of white metal parts destined to help him make a better Gannet for himself Which brings a dilemma I have been basing the build round the frontal view of this aircraft Did the trainer, for this is such, have different intakes to the ASW or COD birds? The white metal intake has a deep intake with a moulded in grille at the back, as the upper pic shows there are filter canisters showing inside the hole just above and behind the leg structures which possibly show near the spinner base on pic 1 I made an attempt at showing these on the white metal part, at the back but you can also see where OCD has pushed me The Frog moulding has a shallow opening with a grille shown inside, this I didnt like So I began cutting it all away to make it accurate-er So now where do I go? tidy up the plastic bit and add a couple of missing fence/guides and the visible pieces protruding into the intake area with no protective grille Or go with the white metal parts (Im having the same discussion on undercarriage legs about white metal parts too) Hmmmmm Edited November 28, 2017 by perdu 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Personally I would try and rework the plastic part as the material is easier worked. You are also starting with smoother surfaces as well. Martian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoshenko Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Worth the extra trouble to work up a more accurate version Bill. Think you could do a lot with the Frog version. PS if you need any mesh for the grilles I know a man whose got loads.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 23 minutes ago, perdu said: The ....well, all of it I thought it was a bay..... 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, perdu said: Did the trainer, for this is such, have different intakes to the ASW or COD birds? I thought that all except for the AEW3 had the same front (Where are you James?) Cannot find a decent nose on shot of a Cod4 but here is an ECM6. Looks the same and here's an AS1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Thanks for that, I cant find any different ones either so I think I'm going to go with this I suppose that paired fairing inside the main intakes will be the faired in front of the Double Mamba pairs so I will 'wing it' around them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Our messages crossed. See edit with additional pic above. Just noticed obvious twist to blades too. Here is a German AS4. CODs were converted AS4s 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJP Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Some great Gannet photos have surfaced here that I've saved to my PC - good progress on the Gannet Perdu CJP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Since we are going with the Fairey nomenclature for the receptacle for the dangly bits, I assume you will always refer to a Spitfire’s undercarriage as the “chassis” from now on, Bill? It has always bemused me that the retraction controls on a Spit-/Sea-fire are thus marked! I’m with the be-tentacled one re front end re-work; adapting white metal in that scale would be tough. [All joking aside, I think Hendie’s right re well being a subset of bay - “bay” is also used in other places (e.g. Sea King & Lynx “engine bay”, Sea King “nose bay”). [Hmm. On reflexion this doesn’t really help, since neither type has any sort of “well”. Ho hum.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: On reflexion this doesn’t really help, since neither type has any sort of “well”. Always thought the SK had a sonor well? If not, what was the correct terminology for it? All very confuddling! K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Good point! Mind you, I’m not sure how a hole in the aircraft floor could be called a bay, and “sonar hole” is just too Viz. [Exit Crisp, muttering in a faintly befuddled manner]. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 😂 Funny thing, subjective stuff When I saw chassis on the handle in Ced's personal Spit it reminded me that I did 'used to' call it exactly that Dad who worked Spits in the war told my brother and I that chassis is the proper terminology Bays and wells? I'm hoping my mild mental abberations will let go enough to be flexible Not about to put money on that though Edited November 29, 2017 by perdu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, perdu said: There you go, @massimo; several things we were discussing in your Ark Royal thread. The I Ching symbol on the 2 visible AEW (taller, Sky) tails denotes 849 NAS D Flight, clearly assigned to HMS Eagle at that point. If you look carefully you can see 3 red and black spinners further along the row, which means A Flight, and the nearer COD aircraft also has red & black, suggesting A Flight were in Hermes; each Flight operated 1 COD aircraft for the parent ship (besides the obvious H on the tail, XA454 also has Hermes’ crest on the tail finlet). With 13 Gannets, inluding 2 CODs, my guess is that this is 849 HQ with A Flight & D Flight (presumably B & C Flights were at sea at the time). Looks like an Admiral’s Inspection, I reckon; no other sensible reason to put 13 cabs out on the line in such an anally straight line An excellent illustration of how different the ASW and AEW Gannets were, too (the COD aircraft are converted AS4s); AEWs much longer undercarriage (?chassis!), taller fin to cope with drag from the radar, different canopy, different nose u/c doors - and that’s without being able to see the exhaust changes etc., which were considerable. Got to love the Gannet! The torpedo shaped thing on the right is a Palouste air starter. I think the thing on the very far right is a Sunbeam Alpine (though initially I thought Ford Anglia). Long before my time, obviously. Ahem. Edited November 29, 2017 by Ex-FAAWAFU 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 3 hours ago, perdu said: ... Ced's personal Spit... I wish! Nothing much to contribute to either of your builds Bill but just hangin', learnin', likin' and, apparently, missing out me 'g's. Must 'et meself one of these 'annets - she's 'rowing on me... CedB, takin' thin's too far... again (ooh, they're back!) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_the_Spider Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Damn this thread! Reading it has highlighted that the intakes on my Revell one are wrong! Whatever, too late o do anything about it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Scimitar said: I love this one. It looks like someone's old barn. Could it be one of the less-visited outhouses at Schloss @Fritag in Yorkshire? "Simpkins, have you checked the estate for vagrants and socialists?" "Yes, Your Grace; nothing to report, though I did find an old Gannet ECM6 in one of Your Lordship's barns". "Great Scott! That belonged to old Cousin Binky - somewhat eccentric, even by our standards, and the black sheep of the family; joined the Navy, don't you know? Poor bugger. I always suspected he'd secreted it somewhere in the grounds..." Edited November 29, 2017 by Ex-FAAWAFU 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 Its an Alpine, or possibly a rich sailor's Tiger My dream car in the sixties When I was learning to drive in dad's A35. 😀 Ced you know we know you will be flying her again, has to be your own private 'cab' mate I always thought RAF as I was growing up, acos dad was RAF in the war, no doubt, but the intricacies of Navyating personified by Crisp have always had a great appeal for me Who but an Ex-FAAWAFU type could give us so much intimate guts'n'garters knowledge huh? ☺ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: I think the thing on the very far right is a Sunbeam Alpine (though initially I thought Ford Anglia). Think you're right there Crisp, though it might be a Tiger? Definitely not an Anglebox though! K Edit - Bill beat me with the Tiger note - must type faster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, perdu said: When I was learning to drive in dad's A35. I can remember sitting in the back of my dad's A35 when he was learning to drive - he used to take me around on the handle bars of his motorbike before that...!! I'd love to discover a 'barn find' like that Gannet! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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