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10 minutes ago, 71chally said:

Having consulted the Gannet maintenance course notes

Which he just happened to have ready for perusing !

That's one of the reasons I enjoy this site. So many people with a vast amount of knowledge which they are happy to share.

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It could be just that a well is an integral part of the whole (the wing structure forming most of it), and a bay is a separate item with its own structure. Just my thru'penny bit's worth....

 

Ian

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hmm

 

Basing this simply on looking at that damnable picture (haven't you lot realised I can over-complicate my builds alone, let alone picking up on streams of consciousness from my friends?) it looks like a real window

 

It seems that the curved bit behind the front edge of the canopy extension /tunnel?  is following exactly enough the curve of the other side to be a clear bit

 

We'd best wait for Mr Gannet to give us the skinny on this I reckon

 

James?

 

So I went looking in my little treasure chest

 

Looks as if that 'window' is on the first in this familiar line up too, must/might be a COD thing

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I don't see that fairing as clear though in that pic. Looking at many pics of CODs but that one of XA466 is the only one that looks clear hence my suspicion that it is a reflection.

In this pic of her in later life it is obviously solid 

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I have come to terms/am coming to terms with my problem

 

I am more than a lot OCD about detail, if I see it I want to do it justice

 

As if detail actually cares, huh!

 

Anyway this picture and its kin have given me much pause for thought

 

observe

 

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The nose gear bay of a COD Gannet

 

Observe the delightful bridge structure that holds the leg hinge

 

The auxiliary struts that push and pull various bits of the operating gubbinses

 

the little ventilated normally open doors

 

The doubled up round filter cans behind the intake ducts

 

The ....well, all of it

 

I have to do at least some of it surely?

 

Having been fortunate to have been directed here many moons ago by Garth N I have discovered a world of kindred spirits

 

So its all your fault OK!

 

I started out with a basic Frog/Novo Gannet kit, picked up some etch and resin en-route to here and then was sent by a dear friend a set of white metal parts destined to help him make a better Gannet for himself


Which brings a dilemma

 

I have been basing the build round the frontal view of this aircraft

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Did the trainer, for this is such, have different intakes to the ASW or COD birds?

 

The white metal intake has a deep intake with a moulded in grille at the back, as the upper pic shows there are filter canisters showing inside the hole just above and behind the leg structures which possibly show  near the spinner base on pic 1

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I made an attempt at showing these on the white metal part, at the back

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but you can also see where OCD has pushed me


The Frog moulding has a shallow opening with a grille shown inside, this I didnt like

 

So I began cutting  it all away to make it accurate-er

 

So now where do I go?

 

tidy up the plastic bit and add a couple of missing fence/guides and the visible pieces protruding into the intake area with no protective grille

 

Or go with the white metal parts

 

(Im having the same discussion on undercarriage legs about white metal parts too) 

 

Hmmmmm

 

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Personally I would try and rework the plastic part as the material is easier worked. You are also starting with smoother surfaces as well.

 

Martian

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1 hour ago, perdu said:

Did the trainer, for this is such, have different intakes to the ASW or COD birds?

I thought that all except for the AEW3 had the same front (Where are you James?)

Cannot find a decent nose on shot of a Cod4 but here is an ECM6. Looks the same

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and here's an AS1

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Thanks for that, I cant find any different ones either so I think I'm going to go with this

 

I suppose that paired fairing inside the main intakes will be the faired in front of the Double Mamba pairs so I will 'wing it' around them

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Since we are going with the Fairey nomenclature for the receptacle for the dangly bits, I assume you will always refer to a Spitfire’s undercarriage as the “chassis” from now on, Bill?  It has always bemused me that the retraction controls on a Spit-/Sea-fire are thus marked!

 

I’m with the be-tentacled one re front end re-work; adapting white metal in that scale would be tough.

 

[All joking aside, I think Hendie’s right re well being a subset of bay - “bay” is also used in other places (e.g. Sea King & Lynx “engine bay”, Sea King “nose bay”).  [Hmm.  On reflexion this doesn’t really help, since neither type has any sort of “well”.  Ho hum.]

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5 minutes ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

On reflexion this doesn’t really help, since neither type has any sort of “well”.

Always thought the SK had a sonor well? If not, what was the correct terminology for it?

 

All very confuddling!

 

K

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Good point!  Mind you, I’m not sure how a hole in the aircraft floor could be called a bay, and “sonar hole” is just too Viz.

 

[Exit Crisp, muttering in a faintly befuddled manner]. 

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Funny thing, subjective stuff

 

When I saw chassis on the handle in Ced's personal Spit it reminded me that I did 'used to' call it exactly that

Dad who worked Spits in the war told my brother and I that chassis is the proper terminology

 

Bays and wells?

 

I'm hoping my mild mental abberations will let go enough to be flexible

 

Not about to put money on that though

 

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14 hours ago, perdu said:

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There you go, @massimo; several things we were discussing in your Ark Royal thread.  The I Ching symbol on the 2 visible AEW (taller, Sky) tails denotes 849 NAS D Flight, clearly assigned to HMS Eagle at that point.  If you look carefully you can see 3 red and black spinners further along the row, which means A Flight, and the nearer COD aircraft also has red & black, suggesting A Flight were in Hermes; each Flight operated 1 COD aircraft for the parent ship (besides the obvious H on the tail, XA454 also has Hermes’ crest on the tail finlet).

 

With 13 Gannets, inluding 2 CODs, my guess is that this is 849 HQ with A Flight & D Flight (presumably B & C Flights were at sea at the time).  Looks like an Admiral’s Inspection, I reckon; no other sensible reason to put 13 cabs out on the line in such an anally straight line

 

An excellent illustration of how different the ASW and AEW Gannets were, too (the COD aircraft are converted AS4s); AEWs much longer undercarriage (?chassis!), taller fin to cope with drag from the radar, different canopy, different nose u/c doors - and that’s without being able to see the exhaust changes etc., which were considerable.

 

Got to love the Gannet!

 

The torpedo shaped thing on the right is a Palouste air starter.

 

I think the thing on the very far right is a Sunbeam Alpine (though initially I thought Ford Anglia).  Long before my time, obviously.  Ahem.

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3 hours ago, perdu said:

... Ced's personal Spit...

I wish!

Nothing much to contribute to either of your builds Bill but just hangin', learnin', likin' and, apparently, missing out me 'g's.

Must 'et meself one of these 'annets - she's 'rowing on me...

 

CedB, takin' thin's too far... :unamused: again (ooh, they're back!)

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14 hours ago, Scimitar said:

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I love this one.  It looks like someone's old barn.  Could it be one of the less-visited outhouses at Schloss @Fritag in Yorkshire?

 

"Simpkins, have you checked the estate for vagrants and socialists?"  

 

"Yes, Your Grace; nothing to report, though I did find an old Gannet ECM6 in one of Your Lordship's barns".

 

"Great Scott!  That belonged to old Cousin Binky - somewhat eccentric, even by our standards, and the black sheep of the family; joined the Navy, don't you know?  Poor bugger.  I always suspected he'd secreted it somewhere in the grounds..."

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Its an Alpine, or possibly a rich sailor's Tiger

 

My dream car in the sixties

 

When I was learning to drive in dad's A35.   😀

 

Ced you know we know you will be flying her again, has to be your own private 'cab' mate

 

I always thought RAF as I was growing up, acos dad was RAF in the war, no doubt, but the intricacies of Navyating personified by Crisp have always had a great appeal for me

 

Who but an Ex-FAAWAFU type could give us so much intimate guts'n'garters knowledge huh?

 

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1 hour ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

I think the thing on the very far right is a Sunbeam Alpine (though initially I thought Ford Anglia).

 

Think you're right there Crisp, though it might be a Tiger? Definitely not an Anglebox though!

 

K

 

Edit - Bill beat me with the Tiger note - must type faster!

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2 minutes ago, perdu said:

When I was learning to drive in dad's A35.  

 

I can remember sitting in the back of my dad's A35 when he was learning to drive - he used to take me around on the handle bars of his motorbike before that...!!

 

I'd love to discover a 'barn find' like that Gannet!

 

Keith

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