P-47 Eileen paint/weapons

[PhantomBigStu]

Started the academy p-47d as the box scheme, assumed it was painted olive drab  based on some builds I've depend but the instructions say it's medium green fs34092 ? Also what stores  can I mount for authenticity?  The box scheme is for the 78fg at dux in the autum of 44

Edited August 10, 2017 by PhantomBigStu

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

Well P-47D's being the big brutes they are could carry quite a load. You dont mention theater, Squadron, or year. However some Nmf 9th AF P-47's in euope were repainted olive drab after they were moved to france and belgium in july '44. Sometimes medium green or RAF Dark green were substituted if stock ran low. They could carry pretty much everything from 100lb bombs to 500lb'rs on the centerline, & 1000 lb'rs on the wing rack. Though a standard load would usually be 3x500lb bombs on the centerline and on the wings. They also carried the early 3 tube bazooka rockets just outboard of the droptank/wing rack. Though i do not believe D's or at least the razorbacks or early bublletops could carry 5" HVAR Rockets later D's M's, and N's could. Most would carry at least one droptank on a mission mounted on the centerline. And unless this is very late '44 or early '45 dont mount the flat 200 gallon tank those werent around till the end of '44. A large group of P-47 squadrons kept the P-38 165 gallon drop-tanks when the switched over for the longer range. So those were seem on quite a few P-47D's. Now if this were other thestets such as mediterranean, pacific, or cbi you could see a variation on the above. Just remember in the Pacific/CBI Theaters Long distance's were more normal so drop tanks played a more prominent role. Hope this helps. 

Edited August 10, 2017 by Corsairfoxfouruncle
Corrected/proof read

[PhantomBigStu]

Should have been more specific, on my phone but editird the post. Anyway the period is autumn of 44 and the unit is the 78fg at duxford

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

78th Fg was Long distance escort with 8th ftr command. Seconded to 2 Tactical air force for ground support as needed. Standard long distance escort load was three droptanks. Usually two 108 gallon paper or 165 P-38 drop tanks on wing stations and a third 108 paper or 110 gallon aluminum tank on centerline. The 200 gallon centerline tank would/could be used post oct'44. If in ground support mode go with the 9th air force loads in my first entry. You should be pretty sorted with those options.  

 

Dennis

Edited August 10, 2017 by Corsairfoxfouruncle

[JosephLalor]

There was a discussion about Eileen's colours on Britmodeller in 2013

It may have had RAF Dark Green uppersurfaces and either Sky or Medium Sea Grey undersurfaces

 

[PhantomBigStu]

Thanks guys I shall have a read later

[Tbolt]

5 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

Well P-47D's being the big brutes they are could carry quite a load. You dont mention theater, Squadron, or year. However some Nmf 9th AF P-47's in euope were repainted olive drab after they were moved to france and belgium in july '44. Sometimes medium green or RAF Dark green were substituted if stock ran low. They could carry pretty much everything from 100lb bombs to 2000lb's on the centerline. Though a standard load would usually be 3x500lb bombs or 1000 on the centerline and 500's on the wings. They also carried the early 3 tube bazooka rockets just outboard of the droptank/wing rack. Though i do not believe D's or at least the razorbacks or early bublletops could carry 5" HVAR Rockets later D's M's, and N's could. Most would carry at least one droptank on a mission mounted on the centerline. And unless this is very late '44 or early '45 dont mount the flat 200 gallon tank those werent around till the end of '44. A large group of P-47 squadrons kept the P-38 165 gallon drop-tanks when the switched over for the longer range. So those were seem on quite a few P-47D's. Now if this were other thestets such as mediterranean, pacific, or cbi you could see a variation on the above. Just remember in the Pacific/CBI Theaters Long distance's were more normal so drop tanks played a more prominent role. Hope this helps. 

2000 lb? I don't think the P-47 could carry the 2000lb bomb, I'm not sure any fighter could, its a seriously big and  heavy bomb. The largest bomb load I've ever seen on a Thunderbolt is 1000lbers on the wing pylons and a 500lb on the centerline, this was the max bomb load even on the P-47N.

 

Edited August 10, 2017 by Tbolt

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

Sorry typo on that 😱 ! I have big fat sausage fingers. I just didnt catch it when proof reading my entry. Thanks for pointing it out. 

[PhantomBigStu]

Thanks again guys, seems i will go with raf  dark green and sky as the paint and fit the two bombs included on the wings. 

[dfqweofekwpeweiop4]

Don't use any rockets on it unless you find a pic of it or it's squadron mates (of the same time period) with them fitted. Without researching and seeing pics of the real thing, you'll be safe with 75 or 108 gal drop tanks on the wing pylons (or 500lb bombs) and either of the 2 previously mentioned drop tanks on the belly or the larger flat belly tank, or even nothing at all! If you fancy putting any other weapon fits on it, I would recommend doing some research if you're concerned about accuracy. That's what I do unless I see pics to show otherwise.

 

For painting I would go for either Olive Drab/Neutral grey or RAF Dark Green over Medium Sea Grey. If they used RAF paints, they are the colours that would have been most likely lying around in that time scale, again unless you can find more than speculation as to them using anything else.

 

Note the Academy kit's decals are pants, try and use aftermarket decals if you can. Also the Academy kit's landing legs are far too long, even for an unladen aircraft, any reduction you do in the landing gear length will improve the look of it. I'm sure I read that 2mm reduction is what you need.

 

thanks

Mike

 

PS on some other points, the M models never carried rockets of any kind. They were only issued to the 56th FG who hated rockets, drop tanks or clean aircraft are best for M models, unless you see pics showing otherwise. I'm pretty sure the P-47's hardpoints were cleard for 1000lb's of ordnance, and that's the biggest bombs they carried.

Edited August 11, 2017 by Mikemx

[PhantomBigStu]

Cheers @Mikemx though as seen in then photos on the thread linked earlier i do feel the underside should be sky as it looks just too light for medium sea grey. And will be mounting the two bombs in the box, with might even mount the centre tank though will have to cut the stand hole in it.