Monty Python Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Does anybody do a rag wing conversion for the Airfix 1:48 scale Hurricane Mk.I (A05127)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just so that you don't think we're all ignoring you, I can't prove there isn't, but I've never heard of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilh Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 I looked when the new Hurricane was released and could not find one so had to build my CA example instead. The only wings out there ( MDC & Heritage aviation) are for the old Airfix kit with completely different engineering of the wing to fuselage join. I think they would be quite hard to make for the new kit as they would likely have to either replicate the kit parts in upper and lower halves and be highly accurate in that respect to accommodate all the internal spars of the new kit, or attempt to mould all that high relief detail in the wheel wells in resin so you could chop the kit spars off level with the wing roots. Seems strange that Airfix don't capitalise on sales of the new kits by releasing a rag wing ( surely could have been included in the same mould when tooled but blanked off). Same goes for the Spitfire- why not mould the Mk VC wing in the same tooling and release both Vb & Vc? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Monty Python said: Does anybody do a rag wing conversion for the Airfix 1:48 scale Hurricane Mk.I (A05127)? New tool kit. No As has been suggested, a complete resin wing would be tricky, but this then ignores some details which mean you can't just add in a new wing, the main one is the lack of the rectangular access hatch in the early Hurricanes, and the curved lower windscreen sides. this shows the hatch I mean, going into roundel this is one without, look at the 'T' I'll add more details later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 6 hours ago, neilh said: The only wings out there ( MDC & Heritage aviation) are for the old Airfix kit with completely different engineering of the wing to fuselage join. The Heritage wing was originally by Aardvark, and for the old tool Airfix kit. It's well done, but has the same fault as the base kit, in which is the wing is too thin. see http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234967342-best-148-hurricane-kit/&do=findComment&comment=1735621 The MDC wing was meant for the Hasegawa kit, but it's a poorly planned conversion, requiring the wing to be cut at the transport joint, and the resin grafted on, which is makes for some detail destroying seam work. The one I have has traling edges about 1mm thick as well, thinning of which would destroy more detail. Neither kit mentions the lack of rectangular fabric panel on the L**** and N**** series Hurricanes, or the use of 5 spoke wheels. The Classic Airframes kit includes the rectangular panel, and 4 spoke wheels, along with other faults. more on the CA and MDC conversion here http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/thread/1456608414/Question+about+fabric+wing+1%3A48+Hurricane+-+trying+to+convert+the+new+tool+Airifix+kit note links, including this is particular though stuffed up by PB... An accurate 1/48th fabric wing Hurricane would really require a new wing and fuselage .... HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Python Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Find it strange that Airfix have done a rag wing in 1:72 scale. Wonder if they have any plans of a 1:48 kit in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I don't see it as strange - it was a version that hadn't been done before (except for Sword, then a very small player) and was a significant gap in the market. PS Bear in mind that the majority of buyers wouldn't notice nor care. Unlike other producers whose products are only bought by enthusiasts, Airfix still sell in large numbers outside our circles. Thankfully they haven't let this dominate their thinking, and are prepared to let us have something a bit different. Edited August 11, 2017 by Graham Boak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 17 hours ago, Monty Python said: Find it strange that Airfix have done a rag wing in 1:72 scale. Wonder if they have any plans of a 1:48 kit in the future? Re the 72nd rag wing, it has a surprisingly large range of marking options. My anoraky comments aside, when built it does make a good model. 16 hours ago, Graham Boak said: I don't see it as strange - it was a version that hadn't been done before (except for Sword, then a very small player) and was a significant gap in the market. PS Bear in mind that the majority of buyers wouldn't notice nor care. Unlike other producers whose products are only bought by enthusiasts, Airfix still sell in large numbers outside our circles. Thankfully they haven't let this dominate their thinking, and are prepared to let us have something a bit different. As for any other versions, in 1/72 or 1/48, It would be a new tool, except for the Spitfire I/Vb kits in 1/48th, Airfix don't seem to plan their kits for multiple versions, in the case of the Hurricane, a sprue dedicated to all the common parts. This is a bad and good thing, if they do any more Hurricane kits of other versions, it will be a complete new tool. I would think this unlikley soon, as Graham points out, Airfix are not a specialists company. The good thing it is they did a new tool they could iron out the faults of the last two. The next logical version in 1/48th would be Mk.IIc, as this was the most built, and what the two BBMF Hurricanes are. With some small tweaks, you get a Mk.IId and Mk.IV. With the same sprue planning at the Spit I/V kit, a separate wings sprue , with a B wing (easy to backdate to an A) and a new prop for Canadian planes, this covers all the two stage Merlin versions. Hasegawa basically did this in 1/48th, and if they hadn't stuffed up the fuselage fabric, and they were actually available, they have sewn up the 1/48th market apart from the fabric wing. Airfix had the right idea with their 1/72nd IIc kit, including a B wing sprue. The problem with the Airfix 72nd IIc was it was based on the Corgi diecast, which was based on commonly available apparently reputable plan, which are essentially a caricature of the real thing, combined with crude toy like moulding, make it a non-starter for the serious modeller. What is really needed for the Hurricane is for the likes of Eduard to do it properly. And I'm still amazed that trumpyboss have not done the shrink ray treatment on their 1/24th kit, which aside from recessed rivets and a few minor glitches aside is stunning for basic shapes, whoever did this research on this for them really knew their stuff. Finally, actually converting the metal wing to a fabric wing is not impossible, easy enough for a reasonably skilled modeller with some time, in some ways the really hard bit is filling that rectangular hatch on the fabric, not impossible but hard to do neatly. I say this as IMO problems with Hurricane fuselage fabric are a real make or break of how good a kit is, as sorting these out can be a very long and tricky job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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