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Beardie

Isn't it great when pain stops!

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Hi all,

 

For the last three weeks I have been struggling with a stone in my salivary gland that had blocked the duct. I have had the stone for about fifteen years although they did try to remove it about ten years ago and botched the operation which put me off letting the docs have another go at it, so when it settled down I decided just to live with it. The last few days in particular have been pretty much agony, unable to eat, drink or swallow or talk properly :crying: I guess the gland had become infected. Anyhoo, about an hour ago I coughed involuntarily and the infected gland must have ruptured followed by a mouthful of disgusting tasting gunk.

 

The relief is incredible! One minute searing pain that I couldn't escape, the next able to swallow, breath, talk propperly again. Still a little sore as I guess is to be expected but nothing compared to how it was.

 

Any of my fellow BM'ers ever suffered from this affliction?

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No, but I trust you have gargled well with some aged Malt?

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Sounds like you need some antibiotics there matey.

 

Duncan B

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Unfortunately not. I think that would knock me flat right now as I haven't eaten or drunk much for the last three days and, even before that i haven't been eating much.

 

Duncan I had a course of antibiotics about three weeks ago and it settled a bit but, once the course finished, it started to flare up big time. I will be off to the docs tomorrow to see if I can get some more.

 

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Get yourself to an NHS walk-in centre quickly to make sure everything is ok.

 

Trevor

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18 minutes ago, Beardie said:

Any of my fellow BM'ers ever suffered from this affliction?

 

No and from the sounds of it it is pretty horrible. I hope the docs can sort you out as I can't imagine how you are and have been feeling.

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I've not heard of that before, sounds awful, so I'm glad you are free of pain now.

I agree with Max – you should get it looked at ASAP.

Incidentally, the 'disgusting tasting gunk' bit was a little too much information – some of us a delicate you know. :sick:

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You can't beat a good salt water mouthwash for something like that.  An old remedy I know, but very effective nonetheless.

 

Chris.

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At the moment I am feeling relieved and I'm praying that it's finally over. Docs say that it isn't that uncommon and more common in men than women.

After the failed operation I discussed the situation with a specialist and he said the only option was for them to cut in under my jaw and remove the entire gland. Problem with this was that there was a real risk of damaging nerves in that area which could leave me with a 'droop' at that side of my mouth so we agreed that it was probably better to deal with attacks when they happened with painkillers and antibiotics.

 

Max, unfortunately an NHS walk-in centre isn't an option. My nearest NHS facilities are over 30 miles away and I am the only person in the house who is able to drive (Due to my wifes' health and the drugs she is on she ins't safe to drive any more) and I think trying to drive to the nearest hospital just now wouldn't be wise.

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Well let's hope all's well that ends well Beardie :-)

 

BillyD

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The ending of a continuous pain can be utterly euphoric (once had continuous severe pain, from a different thing, for nigh on 2 years) and can then lead to not doing anything to fix the base problem because we don't want to mess with it and bring the pain back.

 

Make sure you see the doctor as soon as you possibly can, to make sure the problem is fixed permanently.

 

DennisTheBear

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That sounds thoroughly horrible. It's good that you have some pain relief, but like the others say, it's a bit concerning re infection.

 

I'm not sure but I'm wondering if you're anywhere near the hospital at Alexandria? Still, if you can't drive, it's not really an option. I know that the doctors by the station at Helensburgh used to have someone that could come out at weekends. Not sure if you're that neck of the woods. With cutbacks to NHS funding, I'm not sure it's still there, let alone that doctors will come out.

 

The worry would be septicaemia. The infection getting in your blood.

 

This happened to my late first wife (infected Hickman line entry site). From feeling 'a little wheezy' at 10am one morning, she was in intensive care with multiple organ failure by 3pm in the afternoon.

 

She was in there for 21 days. An indescribable 21 days. Should have died many times. Emerged deaf in one ear, her hair grew back a different colour and she limped for the rest (not long) of her life, she hadn't before.

 

Septicaemia isn't worth risking :unsure:.

 

Sorry to sound like the voice of doom.

 

All the best

TonyT

 

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What they said. It must be a huge relief to get rid of the pain, but you'd be well advised to have a doctor look at it as soon as you can - just in case ...

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Beardie, I understand a little of what you were going through. My problem is a bit further "south" and it's been a pain (literally) for 7 months now. Got an appointment to see a gastroenterologist in July so fingers crossed. Hope your condition clears up completely.

 

John. 

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I once did a bit of DIY "surgery" to remove a saliva duct stone. I didn't actually know what it was at the time, but I had a persistent irritation at the upper back of my mouth which had been driving me crazy over the weekend. Once I had got back to work, I used the plethora of powerful lights and magnifying optics to have a good look and discovered something small and dark which seemed to be stuck to the back of my mouth.

Using some transferred modelling skills, I fashioned a tool to prod at it, and although it was right on the verge of triggering my gag reflex, I was able to ascertain that the thing at the back of my mouth was hard. I could actually hear it when I tapped it with the tool!

I modified the tool a bit more, so the end was more curved and eventually managed to hook behind it and coax it out. There was no pain, but immediate relief from the irritation.

I dissected the stone afterwards, although with some difficulty. Those things are rock hard!

Anyway, that was the day I learnt that we don't just have saliva ducts under our tongues.

 

Cheers,

Mark.

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Posted (edited)

Agreeing with what others are saying, Beardie. Get it checked straight away if not sooner.

 

Know what you mean about the pain. I once had a dental abscess in my lower front jaw; within 24 hours it went from mild pain to a raging torrent, with accompanied swelling. A further 24 hours later, after one of the most miserable days of my life, the infection found a route to the surface. The pain disappeared as if somebody had thrown an off switch, and I spent the next twenty minutes happily evacuating the pus*. The next morning, after seeing the dentist, it was a course of antibiotics and a referral to the orthodontic unit to have it appropriately treated,

 

*Apologies to those of a sensitive nature :sick:.

 

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14 hours ago, Beardie said:

Any of my fellow BM'ers ever suffered from this affliction?

Yes, about 4 years ago, freaking painful, swollen side of face, 3 courses of anti-bugs, the 3rd one for a month. It was during that, that one evening it got acutely painful rather than just flaming uncomfortable & like lasermonkey, I felt something hard, this was under my tongue, some digging around with a cocktail stick & I was dragging out these things that looked like chubby grains of rice & just as hard. Great relief after that. A few weeks later, I went to Auckland for an op, something a bit new apparently. The surgeon was dead keen to get at me but greatly disappointed to find nothing, they'd already come out, so to justify his time he enlarged the opening of my duct so an occurrence was less likely. Prior to having this, I'd never heard of salivary gland stones.

Steve.

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Well I am still alive so far and I am off to see the doc this afternoon.

 

Steve, mine was in the duct under the tongue too (apparently it is called the sub-mandibular duct) but I had one, much larger stone that wouldn't come out and was a bit further back. I was given two options. One was to go in through the mouth and see if they could open the duct and remove the stone and the other was to remove the entire gland and duct from underneath the jaw with this option risking nerve damage to the nerves that control the lips. I chose the former option. In for day surgery and when I came out I was in more pain than I was before and nobody told me anything. I was surprised to discover that I still had a wee white stone visible under my tongue but it was much sorer than it was before. I bit the bullet and forced this out. It was a shard off the main stone with a lovely jagged edge. About four weeks later I was called in by the surgeon. He asked the nurse and his junior to leave the office and then he told me that he had made some sort of mistake which had resulted in the stone going from the duct down into the gland where he couldn't get at it so he had just stitched me up (literally and figuratively) and sent me out. I was then referred to give 'lithotripsy' a shot which is where they try to break the stone up with ultrasound. When I got called in for that I was told they would certainly be prepared to give it a bash but unfortunately the machine was broken so the would let me know when the trustees had given them permission to rent a new machine. I kept in touch with them for two years during which time they hadn't got funding for the new machine and then I gave up.

 

Since then I have learned to live with it with flare-ups every few years. I am definitely not a fan of the state of medicine in Scotland.

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Sounds somewhat grim Beardie, I have to say I was well looked after here & from what you describe, I'm very pleased its gone away, hopefully never to recur. Hope you can sort something out. Good luck. BTW, mine were in the same ducts, I just couldn't remeber the word, :)

Steve.

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I only found out the correct terms yesterday when I finally decided to look up the design drawings for the human face :D 

 

Pity Wingnuts Wings hadn't been put in charge of the kit design for the human being. I doubt we would have nearly the same amount of problems with the finished model :D

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Sadly, mine would appear to have been designed by Starfix!

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Good to hear you're going to the docs Beardie :).

I hope this is the end of the pain.

 

Best regards 

TonyT

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Sialotithiasis. Apparently sucking lemons can help by making your mouth salivate more readily.

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20 hours ago, Beardie said:

a mouthful of disgusting tasting gunk.

Just as well you weren't playing the pipes eh?

Glad you're ok.

Richard

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Thanks Richard,

 

I seem to be on the mend. Went to see Herr Doktor today and he said, as it had burst, anti-biotics weren't neccessary, however, if I start to die within the next few days, I should go back and see him again.

I swear he is a Death camp doctor re-incarnated.

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