Panzer Vor!!! Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Hi Looking at these paints which according to the blurb are suitable for brush painting so the question is Is that true ?? Can you paint a 1/35 Tiger with them ? Over to you guys D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitestar12chris Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Dave yes its true, it was vallejo i used on the leonardo submarine, brush painted, the only drawback is that you may need several coats. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Panzer are you talking Vallejo Model or Vallejo Model Air ? Model has a high opacity quite thick. I would say to paint a large area you would need to thin,a lot, to obtain a good finish with out brush marks It does dry very quickly so you may need a retarder. Model air is designed for airbrush use. However it is relatively thin, compared to Model, and brushes well. As Model it does dry rapidly. Being a very thin paint it does airbrush well and gives a very consistent depth even with one coat. With hand brushing numerous coats are required to build up a consistent overall even look. Look on the Vallejo site which has an incredible depth of information. Bets info. is in the question and answer section. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 Its Model color I,m looking at read the answers section but tbh that just trots out the company line I was interested in knowing what people who had used it thought ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, Panzer Vor!!! said: Its Model color I,m looking at read the answers section but tbh that just trots out the company line I was interested in knowing what people who had used it thought ?? Actually they may trot it out but the info is spot on. Best info about products in depth of any manufacturer. They also have a very reliable and good customer service. In the end it is the man on the end of the brush that will determine how well the paint goes on. The best is to try it yourself and see if it is for you. £1:70 a bottle. Like obtaining a wife there are many preferences although it is fair to state far easier to change paint types. Proof of the pudding is in the eating. The aroma before the eating can be cheekily misleading. Laurie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Used them plenty of time, never painted something as large as a 1/35 Tiger but painted a few 1/72 aircraft models with them. Can they be used with a brush? They sure can ! In my experience they are amongst the best paints around for brush-painting. They need a good stir, very good, they can be a bit thick out of the bottle but they can be easily thinned with water. If you're painting a large surface you may want to add some retardant in the mix, however don't use too much as the paint may never dry (guess how I know...). As with every acrylic of this type, they will not stick to bare plastic, a primer is absolutely necessary. Personally I consider myself a bad painter and I always struggled to get a good surface free of brush marks, and this with any paint. With the Model Color line I still remain a bad painter but I feel that I managed to finally get acceptable results. Not that this line is the only one I'm now happy with, I had similarly good results with Xtracrylics and Lifecolor. Ok, good for my limited skills with a brush, not good in absolute terms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I agree with Giorgio N (except the bit about him being a bad painter, I'm sure that's just modesty). Regarding Model Air, some say it's of no use for brush painting but it is. You just need lots of coats, and as this is regarded as good practice, that's surely a bonus. On the other hand, if it comes ready thinned it's not as good value for money. John. PS My experience is based on painting single engined aircraft in 1/72 scale, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Actually both Model Air & Model come thinned. The major difference between the two is that Model Air ingredients are more finely ground. Pick up a bottle of each and there is a considerable weight difference. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 8 hours ago, LaurieS said: It does dry very quickly so you may need a retarder. Laurie Do you have a recommended brand? Does Liquitex work with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I only use Vallejo and brush paint most of the time. The largest model I've painted so far is a 1:350 scale LST.2 landing craft and the paint covered very easily. Mike 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, LaurieS said: Actually both Model Air & Model come thinned. The major difference between the two is that Model Air ingredients are more finely ground. Pick up a bottle of each and there is a considerable weight difference. Laurie This difference is very noticeable in the metallics, the Model Air metallics are great, with very fine pigments. The standard ones are much less so, I find them almost useless except for small details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Seahawk said: Do you have a recommended brand? Does Liquitex work with them? Vallejo do their own Seahawk. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 Great answers guys much appreciated Tried on a old model brush painted straight on to unprimed surface ---no brush marks but seems to have a sheen Anyone know where I can get a colour chart from ?? Not on line I like the old fashioned paper type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Panzer Vor!!! said: Great answers guys much appreciated Tried on a old model brush painted straight on to unprimed surface ---no brush marks but seems to have a sheen Anyone know where I can get a colour chart from ?? Not on line I like the old fashioned paper type Do you not have a local stockist? They should have them. If not, I can get one, (at great expense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 No i don't have a local stockist If not, I can get one, (at great expense) Shades of Julian !!! How much ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avereda Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Creative Models have it in stock, code VALCC070. Obviously you'd need to buy some other stuff to make it worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Panzer Vor!!! said: No i don't have a local stockist If not, I can get one, (at great expense) Shades of Julian !!! How much ??? I'll ask my local stockist to bring one with her on Thursday. (of course it's shades of Julien, we use the same supplier) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapperastro Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I have found them to be very good, but incredibly fragile, possibly the most fragile of hobby paints I have ever used. So if you plan on using them as your 'go to' paint, make sure you don't handle them too much, or rub them against anything prior to putting a hard wearing clear coat on. Handy hint: Italeri Acrylics, which come in many specific military colours, come in bigger bottles and are usually more cost effective; guess what? They are Vallejo model colours in specifically brewed colours for Italeri. Same paint. I usually go for them before heading for the Vallejo paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 If you are using Vallejo Air then preparation, as in many things in life, is the way to success. My way is to just prior to painting use a 1200 gauge wet and dry paper with lots of water and give the plastic a thorough wet and dry. 1200 gauge will give a good key for the primer but will not make marks or scratches which will be seen through the paint and gives a base to a good smooth paint finish. I Prime with Synylerez. If there are parts to make good shown up by the primer wet and dry the edge of the primer disturbed during making good. Then prime over those parts. Not necessary to re-prime the whole thing as Synylerez is thin & the join will not be visible by just priming over the disturbed area. Lightly wet and dry the primer with a 1550 gauge paper. Wipe down the primer with a decorators wipe which has a small % of IPA. B & Q's own is good (for got do the same before priming). First coat Vallejo Air thin 30% and give a thin mist coat. Let it dry a couple of hours then recoat. Then if necessary another coat 2 hrs later. Make sure your edges get the same thickness of paint as the main areas. Follow that procedure leaving to cure for at least 24 hrs. Following that I get a good paint base. I have masked with tape and white tack which, apart from a few mishaps in over 15 years, has released perfectly with this procedure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenshirt Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'll pile on with everyone else and endorse Model Color as a great hand brushable paint. I mix 1-1 with Future to both retard and smooth out brush strokes. Most I've done so far is a cockpit, but I'm tempted to paint the entire exterior. It's too easy for me to use my airbrush, so I just grab that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 16 hours ago, Greenshirt said: I'll pile on with everyone else and endorse Model Color as a great hand brushable paint. I mix 1-1 with Future to both retard and smooth out brush strokes. Most I've done so far is a cockpit, but I'm tempted to paint the entire exterior. It's too easy for me to use my airbrush, so I just grab that. Adding a few drops of Future/Klear also helps when airbrushing the same paint, the resulting finish is even smoother and more durable than it is using the paint alone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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