CJP Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 hours ago, perdu said: So much 'wrong' with that picture The tail demarcation runs in a line horizontally to just above the pen-nib of the jet pipe instead of to its tip The front demarcation runs to below the intake lip instead of 'to' it The radome isn't painted like 109s And I do not have white outline transfers to make a 107 instead although I like the radome in natural fibreglass But so much right, I am trying to build Ship's aircraft this year, Lossie isn't quite what I wanted even though the Station was so intensely involved in bringing Buccs into the service At the start of this build I said I wanted a EDSG And White bird, I even said it to Tomo "at the Brighton Conference*" but blimey it is beginning to look as if no two Buccaneers were painted the same More research coming up which has to comply with the transfers available About which, here is what I have got to date in 1/72thscale I'm not entirely convinced by the pale blue of the Freightdog sheet, what do you think? but convinced or not at least I have some options, phew *The Brighton Conference refers to a constant on-going running gag between the gaffer and me, I wanted her to feel at home when she sees it, one is sure she will one day I think the pale blue in the Freightdog sheet does look a tad dark and the MA004 is closer - I ended up using a Model Alliance 72121 on my S1 after a lot of comparison of the colours in the sheets - I also had a Model Art sheet 72/033 which appears to have the same aircraft as your MA004 but the white part of the roundels was a creamy tone instead of white and just looked wrong - every decal sheet that I have has a different tone for the pale blue! CJP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 5 hours ago, perdu said: The tail demarcation runs in a line horizontally to just above the pen-nib of the jet pipe instead of to its tip i think whoever drew the decal plans was looking at an early S2 as the line there does indeed start at the pen nib. Having looked at dozens of pics of grey and white S1s in the past hour I haven't found a line starting at the nib yet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 I do like that curved line off the pen nib So much deciding to do 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, perdu said: So much deciding to do Just use decals for '109' and paint that line higher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) On 12/9/2017 at 9:21 AM, 71chally said: Middle one for me, but have they got the nose demarcation a bit too low? When I mentioned that I was thinking of this scheme, my favouite. I think it was very late, and only on some S.1s, more common on S.2s. Edited December 10, 2017 by 71chally 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Couldn't resist adding some more of 736's S1s (enough James..get over to the Gannet thread..your input required) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) I'm guessing that scheme never went to sea on an S.1, rules that one out! Edited December 10, 2017 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I only remember it on 736's S1s but that means very little 50 odd years after the event! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 So-o-o-o-o many schemes So difficult to decide Maybe all over white was a good-er idea Back over there, where the Gannets fly free, I mentioned making the slots in my Buccaneer main gear covers James wisely suggested using my Buccaneer wheel door slotting tool So I did Here the slotter has made the impress in the door, basically like this The small slot screwdriver has been heated in the penny light flame and impressed into the cover There are a pair of recesses in the door inner panel, probably so the door can close with the wheels tucked away My Expo driller with a small round burr bit fitted has whipped off all the excess plastic from inside ready to be tidied up The darker areas are shadow inside making them less reflective A flash of Appliance White will tidy the holes no end ciao 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairystick Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Sorry I'm late! Still attempting to catch up fully with this thread but i'm 20 pages behind... Lots of lovely details being added and learning a bit as well. A silly question to the Bucc experts: Were the outer wings plumbed as fuel tanks? I can't find any reference to this so have to guess they are dry? My 1:48th airfix (a curse upon them!) Bucc has re-started after a 9month lay-off because the kit is utter guano. Weirdly things are going well and primer has been applied now, so extra work begins rectifying newly discovered faults. The primer is showing up how pretty the shape of this aircraft really is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 I would guess they are dry wings, the only signs of drop or fitted additional tanks and the buddy refuelling pack fitting is all on the inner wing section There are no obvious pipes running out to the folding wing at the joints, I hope I'd have noticed as I am going to fold mine But we have so much available knowledge round here I hope we get the answer very soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) On 09/12/2017 at 7:53 PM, Scimitar said: Great photo! S1, 801NAS, HMS Victorious - early-60s RN personified. Yum. For the same reasons as Bill, I very much doubt that the outer wings were “wet” Edited December 12, 2017 by Ex-FAAWAFU 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Well looking at that picture again made the wibbling wobbling fool's mind up That scheme, with raw fibreglass radome by the look of it, screams out to be the one The radome doesn't look painted as they were later, does it? Need to find a squadron badge and a big V for the fin but it looks like mine now Serial number search next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, perdu said: Serial number search next XN929 She later appeared as GI at Honington marked 6301/2 Standard yellowyishy colour for radome. Finishes varied so mix your own colour to suit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 This is XN955 Note the point of the radome is metal. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Brownish intake interiors if I'm not very much mistooken, too Great photo, will that little man get a trossaching for going to sleep by the right hand wheel? 😁 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Lovely yellow & blue Walter on plane guard too Bill.... K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yes isn't it... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, perdu said: will that little man get a trossaching for going to sleep by the right hand wheel? He's a bit clingy ain't he? He must really love Buccaneers. Possibly the ship's doctor has been summoned.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, perdu said: Brownish intake interiors if I'm not very much mistooken, too A difficult colour to identify given that it is almost always in darkness. Some shots it looks more green than brown. Here's the same colour in an S50 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Looks like a fibreglass(-alike) lining to the intake duct, I wonder if it is something like that? Factory shot from Brough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, perdu said: Factory shot from Brough? Don't know as found it on another modelling site with no caption. Possibly Holme on Spalding Moor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Personally speaking - I still very much disagree with the brown finish, or painted, intake interior thing. I had a really good look over the FAAM S.1 (not easy!) with this in mind and my personal conclusion is that it is natural aluminium finish (as with many FAA jets) that has aged/tarnished to an offish metal colour with hints of brown, some photographs seem to exaggerate this There is certainly no fibreglass lining, as to be expected on something that sucks that hard! Intake skinning is pretty tough to withstand the pressure and bird strike damage. Liking the silver Palouste in that shot, my guess is it was taken at Holme on Spalding Moor where flight testing was conducted. All the internal fuel was in the upper fuselage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairystick Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 23 hours ago, 71chally said: All the internal fuel was in the upper fuselage. Thanks for that. The sheer quantity that is in the fuselage is impressive, but my investigations into the wing-blowing systems and the vortex generators got me wondering due to the size and construction of the outer wing panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoshenko Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Glad to see you're cutting up plastic again on the Bucc Bill. Nice detailing and some fine Bucc piccies too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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