tonyot Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Hiya Folks, Considering that the RAF has all but killed off the Fleet Air Arm`s `independent' fast jet capability,.....and muscled its way into providing the airpower for the new carriers,......the photo below made me chuckle,...look at the stern; http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/f35b-in-focus-part-3-ownership-and-operation/ Cheers Tony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Often wondered whether the C version was dropped because landing them on a carrier would be a full time job and the RAF wanted to play, so they took their ball home, so to speak. I have no evidence whatsoever for that assumption though, I hasten to add! At least the FAA will get a couple of number plates. Would RAF crews want to go on long cruises though? We might end up with the Navy's squadrons being mainly dark blue after all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 My thoughts exactly Meatbox! Anyway,....at least we know that the RN can still provide escorts to the carrier; One that hasn`t broken down yet anyway!! Cheers Tony 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 As I understand it, the C version would mean that carrier qualifications would have to be maintained and this would be difficult if the carrier was in dry dock. The B version takes this away as it's easier to operate from a ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Stephen said: As I understand it, the C version would mean that carrier qualifications would have to be maintained and this would be difficult if the carrier was in dry dock. The B version takes this away as it's easier to operate from a ship. This is true,...plus it can operate in poorer weather, as proved by the SHAR in the Falklands,......but the B is nowhere near as capable as the C,....... which is a true naval aircraft. France and the USA manage to maintain carrier capability with cat and trap,..... pity the UK cannot do the same really. If they were owned by the RN then I dare say that maintaining carrier capability wouldn`t be a problem,.....but the RAF have other ideas and uses for the type. Cheers Tony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stephen said: As I understand it, the C version would mean that carrier qualifications would have to be maintained and this would be difficult if the carrier was in dry dock. The B version takes this away as it's easier to operate from a ship. Hmm not so sure about that one mate lets face it after 1972 when the Eagle was decommissioned there was only the Ark (the one before mine!) and I didn't see the Toom and Buc guys having any issues keeping current. Presume that they may have used American carriers on a rare occasion. I don't know this for sure but its a mute point as we have two carriers ....and I am sure they will be marvellous. No seriously from what I am told F35 is super good.know where can we get a easy to maintain Utility helicopter that everyone will want to buy ..not knocking the Merlin its seems better than it Airbus Helos equivalent. By the way the light blue target flag thingy LMAO not a chance ....although I note the person in charge of the programme is a Crabfat.....love em' couldn't eat a whole one lol Edited May 1, 2017 by junglierating skool lessions needed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 49 minutes ago, junglierating said: Hmm not so sure about that one mate lets face it after 1972 when the Eagle was decommissioned there was only the Ark (the one before mine!) and I didn't see the Toom and Buc guys having any issues keeping current. Presume that they may have used American carriers on a rare occasion. I don't know this for sure but its a mute point as we have two carriers ....and I am sure they will be marvellous. No seriously from what I am told F35 is super good.know where can we get a easy to maintain Utility helicopter that everyone will want to buy ..not knocking the Merlin its seems better than it Airbus Helos equivalent. By the way the light blue target flag thingy LMAO not a chance ....although I note the person in charge of the programme is a Crabfat.....love em' couldn't eat a whole one lol Absolutely, and the French manage to keep enough pilots carrier capable with one deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beema Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 As an aside I saw reference to the fact that the F35A has been used in combat. A pair was used by the Israeli Air Force in a strike last month (their only two at the time apparently). I think it was covered in Air Force monthly... Bearing in in mind that HMS Ocean is being sold off from under the RMs, I'm not sure we'll have carriers long enough to put the aeroplanes on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Its all fate....or dice or cards who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beema Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 3 hours ago, tonyot said: My thoughts exactly Meatbox! Anyway,....at least we know that the RN can still provide escorts to the carrier; One that hasn`t broken down yet anyway!! Cheers Tony I wonder what the lurched is thinking there?? Caption competition.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 25 minutes ago, Grey Beema said: I wonder what the lurched is thinking there?? Caption competition.... "Mascot or not, if he uses my tail as the tiller just one more time, he's going to loose a finger or two..." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 A couple of members in that boat's crew could do with an 'aircut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeusa Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 So, let me get this straight. Somebody in power thinks the current carrier situation is not long term viable and convinces government funds should be expended to build bigger aircraft carriers so more aircraft can be carried. Then, while the big carriers are being built, somebody else thinks it a good idea to eliminate the navy having aircraft. Why clutter a new aircraft carrier up with planes? So now you have an aircraft carrier belonging to a navy without planes? And the present idea is maybe the Air Force would like to occasionally use the navy's air craft carriers as a transport and have less aircraft on the big carriers than you did on the little old carriers? And I thought the US military industrial complex was screwed up. We can't hold a candle to the above scenario! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malpaso Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Pretty much nailed it George. Except you forgot the bit about the RN not having enough ratings or ships to crew or protect the carriers. Although, allegedly, there's enough Admirals, Generals and Air Marshals in today's "slimmed down" UK Forces to entirely crew one QEC boat! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWFK10 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I wonder if the RAF are aware of what it means, historically, to fly one ensign below another. "Some navies in the age of sail apparently inverted the ensign of an enemy ship after they captured it, although the normal procedure was to hoist their own ensign above the enemy ensign aboard the prize", as in this painting of USS Chesapeake after her capture by HMS Shannon in the War of 1812. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 On 01/05/2017 at 1:32 PM, Meatbox8 said: Often wondered whether the C version was dropped because landing them on a carrier would be a full time job and the RAF wanted to play, so they took their ball home, so to speak. I have no evidence whatsoever for that assumption though, I hasten to add! At least the FAA will get a couple of number plates. Would RAF crews want to go on long cruises though? We might end up with the Navy's squadrons being mainly dark blue after all. Try reading the Buccs Boys book, there were a lot of RAF Pilots on the Ark on the days there was a FAA. RAF on long cruises, as the old saying goes the Military is there to protect democracy, not practice it, the guys will go where they are told. And as the F-35 Sqn's will be 2/3 1/3 RAF FAA, they won't end up as mainly dark blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 18 hours ago, Tony C said: "Mascot or not, if he uses my tail as the tiller just one more time, he's going to loose a finger or two..." I'm a lurcher, not an old sea dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 On 01/05/2017 at 0:48 PM, tonyot said: Hiya Folks, Considering that the RAF has all but killed off the Fleet Air Arm`s `independent' fast jet capability,.....and muscled its way into providing the airpower for the new carriers,......the photo below made me chuckle,...look at the stern; http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/f35b-in-focus-part-3-ownership-and-operation/ Cheers Tony As the Army are going to be flying Apaches from it maybe they should replace both these flags with the Tri-Services flag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 47 minutes ago, AWFK10 said: I wonder if the RAF are aware of what it means, historically, to fly one ensign below another. "Some navies in the age of sail apparently inverted the ensign of an enemy ship after they captured it, although the normal procedure was to hoist their own ensign above the enemy ensign aboard the prize", as in this painting of USS Chesapeake after her capture by HMS Shannon in the War of 1812. Bull that ain't happening besides the 100 year experiment finishes next year 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Meatbox8 said: As the Army are going to be flying Apaches from it maybe they should replace both these flags with the Tri-Services flag. Yeah I was going to say that the tri service flag should be flying from one of the islands!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 23 minutes ago, tonyot said: Yeah I was going to say that the tri service flag should be flying from one of the islands!! Sound like some sort of paintball game who can capture the opposing sides island ....hmmmm high spirits I think in the wardroom LMAO.Puts a different perspective on a 5 deck dash 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, junglierating said: Sound like some sort of paintball game who can capture the opposing sides island ....hmmmm high spirits I think in the wardroom LMAO.Puts a different perspective on a 5 deck dash Isn`t it a stupid idea having two islands,.....one for the fish heads to drive the ship and one for the RAF to use as a control tower and never the twain shall meet!! If I had my way it would have cat and traps,......tw squadrons of Fleet Air Arm Super Hornets,.....Hawkeye AEW aircraft, Merlins and a squadron of RAF/RN F-35`s as `pathfinder/ strike aircraft, I don`t think that the F-35 can provide sufficient fighter cover for the fleet. Cheers Tony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyot said: Isn`t it a stupid idea having two islands,.....one for the fish heads to drive the ship and one for the RAF to use as a control tower and never the twain shall meet!! If I had my way it would have cat and traps,......tw squadrons of Fleet Air Arm Super Hornets,.....Hawkeye AEW aircraft, Merlins and a squadron of RAF/RN F-35`s as `pathfinder/ strike aircraft, I don`t think that the F-35 can provide sufficient fighter cover for the fleet. Cheers Tony. We shall see it 'ill be 'ight...btw the RN has ATC and Fighter controllers and the new voice on the Tanoy at VL sounds delightful.....don't think that is in anyway sexist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, tonyot said: Isn`t it a stupid idea having two islands,.....one for the fish heads to drive the ship and one for the RAF to use as a control tower and never the twain shall meet!! If I had my way it would have cat and traps,......tw squadrons of Fleet Air Arm Super Hornets,.....Hawkeye AEW aircraft, Merlins and a squadron of RAF/RN F-35`s as `pathfinder/ strike aircraft, I don`t think that the F-35 can provide sufficient fighter cover for the fleet. Cheers Tony. I agree with everything you say except I'd rather Rafale N than Super Hornet - but mainly for aesthetic reasons. Edited May 2, 2017 by Meatbox8 Spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, junglierating said: We shall see it 'ill be 'ight...btw the RN has ATC and Fighter controllers and the new voice on the Tanoy at VL sounds delightful.....don't think that is in anyway sexist. I know the RN has ATC and Fighter Controllers,.....I was just being pedantic about it being the RAF control tower for the RAF jets. The Crabs would run the entire Air Wing given half the chance! They even have a private regiment of duffers who wear combats and pretend to be soldiers after doing the 5 miler of death! Tony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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