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Bonkin

British Army Diamond T Tank Transporter with Centurion Project

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Very impressive looking model :like:

 

Regards

Richard 

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On 18/03/2018 at 17:31, Hamden said:

 

Looking good in paint!

 

"The front wheels have metal parts for some reason"

Metal parts are because it's a motorised model

 

     Roger

Thanks Roger.

On 21/03/2018 at 20:20, Ripaman said:

Very impressive looking model :like:

 

Regards

Richard 

Cheers Richard.

 

So the Easter holidays are now upon us and the family (except me) are starting a 2 week break. Naturally this has got the wife on a mega spring cleaning frenzy - and of course I'm not allowed to sit on my backside chilling out or hunched over my workbench sanding bits of plastic. My ploy was therefore to get up early, get the ladders out and clean all the windows whilst she busied herself indoors. Luckily this worked and kept her happy enough that she didn't object (too much) when I complained of a stiff neck and a need to sit down :wink:. I therefore managed to cramp some time in at the bench this afternoon :)... getting on with the Centurion.

 

Gotta say I'm loving this old Tamiya kit. It is going together lovely. I prepared all the track support wheels and main wheels (shown here in dry fit), and then fitted the side skirt supports:

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And to ensure I'd got them positioned correctly I dry fitted the skirts whilst the glue for the support arms dried out.

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Then it was on with the gun barrel - which during dry fit looked like it would be bent. I did consider whether to use a metal aftermarket part - but by gluing it in sections and patiently holding it in position I was able to get it reasonably straight.

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Looks OK :yes:

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From studying my Dads pictures it appears then when on the trailer, the turret is turned to this position and there is some sort of clamp which goes over the barrel to hold it in place. I did wonder whether the fixed nature of the barrel-to-turret assembly would put the gun too high - but I think, from dry fit testing that it will be OK. I will have to sort out the clamp though. There doesn't look to be anything in the kit regarding this part.

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The turret itself needed a lot of clean up at the rear to remove the join line. I will have to go around with some filler - particularly between the side storage boxes and the turret itself. The holes for the fire extinguishers are also oversized and may need a bit of treatment.

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Left side view. Note - I fitted the mounts for the smoke cartridges but I can't see these on the Centurions in my Dad's pictures. I'll have to check on this as they may have to come out.

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Quick dry fit on the chassis.

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... and with a few wheels on :yes:

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There are a few parts now to go onto the main body of the tank but then it will be on with priming.

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Currently I've no idea what colour scheme I'm going to do it in. I need to do a bit of research on Centurion colours in Germany during the early 1950's. Happy for any suggestions though.

 

Thanks for following.

 

 

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Most likely colour from memory would have been Bronze Green for a Centurion of that period.

I could be wrong though!

 

  Roger

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On 25/03/2018 at 18:15, Hamden said:

 

Most likely colour from memory would have been Bronze Green for a Centurion of that period.

I could be wrong though!

 

  Roger

I think you are right Roger - but I really don't want the tractor, trailer and tank to all be the same colour. Also, looking back at the reference pictures it looks like they did have a camouflage pattern on them at the time:

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When I asked my Dad he seemed to recall that some of them were also dark grey. 

 

So I've made some more slow progress this past couple of weekends. First off, I completed work on the tank chassis and then primed both it and the turret.

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I also did the wheels and tried a dry fit. Such a shame that most of this detail won't be visible once the side skirts are fitted. Once I'd primed the gun barrel I found that the join was still visible so that took a bit of extra sanding and polishing to remove.

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It was at this stage that I realised a mistake. The Tamiya instructions tell you to mount the fire extinguishers on the rear of the turret. They also provide rather large inconvenient holes for them to fit into. When studying the pictures above I noted that they were actually mounted towards the front and just behind the smoke cartridge ejectors on the port side, and underneath the side storage bins on the starboard side. Anyhoos, I've removed them and will refit them in the right places... and will have to sort out the holes left over.

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Being one to keep an eye on the latest trends :lol: I noticed that MRP paints now do a British Deep Bronze Green colour. These paints have received very positive reviews so I figured it would be worth trying and comparing against the Humbrol mix I've been using to date.

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So here are the trailer wheel hubs in the MRP DBG colour. Gotta say, very, very comparable. If anything I'd say that the MRP paint does not have the hint of brown/bronze that the Humbrol mix has. It is one to check with the old man though. The benefit to using MRP over Humbrol (apart from the ease of spraying) is the rapid drying time.

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I also used the MRP DBG on the front bogie of the trailer. Mainly where I fitted the air line. It is definitely a beautifully smooth paint.

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Back on the Centurion I welded the track ends together and did a trial fit on the trailer. I'm very pleased with it so far. The tracks overhang the edges of the trailer which is exactly how my Dad remembers them fitting.

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And one final thing is this picture I found of a rather sad and neglected Dyson trailer in a scrap yard. Note how the pin does not go all the way from one side to the other as I thought it did. One of my next jobs is fitting the ramps so this is a good reference.

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On ‎25‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 18:08, Bonkin said:

Currently I've no idea what colour scheme I'm going to do it in. I need to do a bit of research on Centurion colours in Germany during the early 1950's. Happy for any suggestions though.

 

I'm probably a bit late with this, but I asked a similar question on another site a few years ago when I built the Tamiya Centurion as a Korean based Mk.lll. The answer that I got (it could have been from Mike Starmer), was that at the time of the Korean conflict, they were still finished in SCC15. That would probably be the same for BFG Germany vehicles as well. Bronze green started coming in around then, but I think that you could get away with SCC15 as well.

 

John.

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Very nicley detailed models , that trailer does  looks good though, 

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On 08/04/2018 at 09:25, Bullbasket said:

I'm probably a bit late with this, but I asked a similar question on another site a few years ago when I built the Tamiya Centurion as a Korean based Mk.lll. The answer that I got (it could have been from Mike Starmer), was that at the time of the Korean conflict, they were still finished in SCC15. That would probably be the same for BFG Germany vehicles as well. Bronze green started coming in around then, but I think that you could get away with SCC15 as well.

 

John.

No not too late - and thanks for the comment. I actually asked my Dad about the colours and he doesn't actually recall any of the Centurions being bronze green. In fact, he remembers them in a Nato green and also dark grey. Given this, I suspect you are spot on with your SCC15 suggestion. The question now of course is which is the best rendition of SCC15? :worry:

On 10/04/2018 at 23:40, Hewy said:

Very nicley detailed models , that trailer does  looks good though, 

Thanks very much Hewy. It's my first time building with resin but it is a good kit.

On 11/04/2018 at 13:24, TapChan said:

Last model photo looks more like 3D render :)

Cheers :yes:.

 

Not much progress this weekend... but still plugging away when I can. My attention has been on the loading ramps and boy are they tricky blighters - but probably all through my own doing of choosing a thinner spindle rod (thinking it would be easier). If I'd chosen the kit part I would incidentally, have had to widen the holes in not only the resin parts but also the photo-etch.

 

So here we are with spindle rod cut for one side (with one end in place), the cut and filed photo-etch parts and the end cap:

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Some cussing later - ta da :penguin:! One side fitted. But hang on, there is a problem...

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... the photo-etch just fits over the studs on each ramp (see arrow). There is nothing to hold it in place and the ramps swing around like the dogs doodahs... and worse still, they fall off!!!

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So I'm thinking that if I'd used thicker rod then maybe there would have been some friction and therefore stiffness in the ramps. As it is, I've tried flattening the studs with a hot knife - but only with limited success.

 

Here it all is with the other side done and the middle plate added. The idea has always been to have the model posed with the Centurion on the trailer and all chained up so really, I could just glue the ramps in the stowed position. I kinda like having the option to put them down though.

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I've now also started on the chain work. With all the fiddly pieces in these I think there will be even more cussing than the ramps caused :lol:.

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14 hours ago, Bonkin said:

No not too late - and thanks for the comment. I actually asked my Dad about the colours and he doesn't actually recall any of the Centurions being bronze green. In fact, he remembers them in a Nato green and also dark grey. Given this, I suspect you are spot on with your SCC15 suggestion. The question now of course is which is the best rendition of SCC15? :worry:

If you are using Tamiya paints, this is Mike Starmer's mix; 5 x XF61, 2 x XF62, 2 x XF3 plus 1 x Medium Grey for scale effect.

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Or you could buy this SCC15 from Sovereign Hobbies, did use some on my Matador (very nice paint had no issue with spraying) then someone pointed out it should have been SCC1 

 

This is with the Sovereign hobbies SCC15

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:doh: also did mix up some Tamiya paint as per Mike Starmer and I could not tell the difference between the two 

 

Regards

Richard 

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On 16/04/2018 at 08:36, Bullbasket said:

If you are using Tamiya paints, this is Mike Starmer's mix; 5 x XF61, 2 x XF62, 2 x XF3 plus 1 x Medium Grey for scale effect.

Excellent thanks. Definitely worth a try. Which medium grey though? Any?

On 16/04/2018 at 23:43, Ripaman said:

Or you could buy this SCC15 from Sovereign Hobbies, did use some on my Matador (very nice paint had no issue with spraying) then someone pointed out it should have been SCC1 

 

:doh: also did mix up some Tamiya paint as per Mike Starmer and I could not tell the difference between the two 

 

Looks good. I'll probably try the "Mike Starmer" mix first though and see what it looks like.

 

So despite the "relax, chill and drink wine" weather we've had in the UK over this weekend, I have managed to steel myself away to the man cave. Also skilfully avoiding a few household chores much to the wife's annoyance :smirk:. First off, I filled the holes in the back of the Centurion turret where the instructions say the fire extinguishers go - contrary to the photographs I have:

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I then got back to work on the Dyson trailer... and spend considerable time studying the instructions looking for where parts 50 and 51 go. They are described as side lights (white and amber) but other than the parts list, annoyingly they don't seem to be mentioned anywhere. Studying the reference pictures I have, I can't see them anywhere either so my intention is to leave them off.

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You may have noticed from earlier pictures that my bracket was broken on the A bar. I modelled a new one from some thick plasticard which I shaped with a file, fixed into place and used some thick super-glue as a filler. It took a while but I'm quite happy with the result. You'll also note that I added remaining photo-etch (weight disk and power couplings):

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Better view of the A-Bar with attachment added:

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I then primed up the remaining parts (including the Centurion turret and side skirts) ready for application of bronze green:

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And then got to applying the MRP Deep Bronze Green paint:

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The spare wheel assembly hinges (although later it will be fixed with a rope).

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And the top deck... note that the instructions say that this should be ship hull red but I had several conversations with my Dad about this and he says that was never the case. The only part he remembers as red was the base on the tractor ballast box. Him and a mate painted it once - and had some doubts about how safe it was because this was when the risks of leaded paint were just becoming known. He does remember painting the deck of the trailers green though.

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Obviously thinks are looking rather clean at the moment but once I've applied the decals and wheels I will be weathering things up a little, e.g. grime and grease underneath and scrapes and chips on top.

 

Thanks for following.

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