DDELK Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Hi all, I was watching the video review of the KHSU-17 and if anyone else has seen it on YouTube, you know that it wasn't very pleasant. I like to be my own judge of a kit, but was curious if anyone has or is currently building one. It does look like KittyHawk was lazy on a few areas but I'm not a rivet counter either. The detail looks great. I've built the KP fitter and although it was a pain in butt, it came out looking very nice.. thanks dave Edited April 28, 2017 by DDELK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Pete Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 KITTY HAWK, not KINETIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDELK Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Yes, your right. Not sure why I said KINETIC..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I'm starting mine tomorrow as part of the From Russia With Love group build on the forum, I've seen the review you're talking about and it did put me off the kit, although I did also question some of the chaps building methods. I then saw Spencer Pollards build review on you tube and this changed my mind. The detail in the kit is pretty eye catching, it even has full size cannons to be fitted into the wing roots! Follow my build to see how it goes together! http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235020423-148-kitty-hawk-sukhoi-su-17-fitter/ Muzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDELK Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Will watch out for your build for sure. Is really true that KH didn't even bother to add the intake spliter? I would love to do a WIP but I can't seem to figure out how to download photos from my iPhone(FLICKER).. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Yes, they give you a full engine and cannons and miss out a part that's in full view at the front of the kit! I have an AM part on order from HAD Models to fix this problem, there is already a few companies who have announced that there releasing AM for the kit. Have a look at Spencer Pollards builds on YouTube, there worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingdutchman Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Here on BM Ian is also building the Kitty Hawk SU-17 Evert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Wait to Hobby Boss! This model is terrible and has a lot of bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dot Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I've got a good friend doing it in Germany and it looks fine. Great detail too. It seems like everyone wants perfection these days but if you use some common sense and intelligence, it goes together very well. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Red Dot said: I've got a good friend doing it in Germany and it looks fine. Great detail too. It seems like everyone wants perfection these days but if you use some common sense and intelligence, it goes together very well. Andy Details are fine, but when fix bugs disappear.I worked with Su-22M-4K and UM-3K and remember ... It's OK? http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDELK Posted April 29, 2017 Author Share Posted April 29, 2017 For that kind of money you shouldn't have to be filling in sink marks on launch rails etc. not to mention they didn't even bother putting intake spitter on the kit.. I know all kits have issues, but I think the reviews were correct when they say KH flat out was lazy on certain parts of this kit. I think I will build one anyways so that a may judge it for my self.. dave🇺🇸 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 23 hours ago, harvy5 said: Wait to Hobby Boss! This model is terrible and has a lot of bugs. Are you saying the Hobby Bogus kit is going to be better than the Kitty Hawk one? That would be an earth-shattering momentous occasion, which I won't live long enough to see, IMHO. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, ReccePhreak said: Are you saying the Hobby Bogus kit is going to be better than the Kitty Hawk one? It can not be worse than KH.I can not do wings in landing position, only to take-off, but it's not a problem.Fuselage has the right shape and details look at the same level.Now I build it together with KP, and I'm crying .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, harvy5 said: It can not be worse than KH.I can not do wings in landing position, only to take-off, but it's not a problem.Fuselage has the right shape and details look at the same level.Now I build it together with KP, and I'm crying .. Hi harvy! I hope you are right... I understand your frustration, but have a look at the front windscreen / canopy,. on how it wraps around the fuselage istead of sitting just on top as with earlier series Fitters (Su-7 and Su-17 without the the looks down nose (caused by the installation of the Laser range finder?? you surely know better than me!))... it is really wrong in the KP kit, but looks much better in the KH one.... the Hobby Boss Fitter has yet t be seen in plastic!! Edited April 30, 2017 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 13 hours ago, exdraken said: Hi harvy! I hope you are right... I understand your frustration, but have a look at the front windscreen / canopy,. on how it wraps around the fuselage istead of sitting just on top as with earlier series Fitters (Su-7 and Su-17 without the the looks down nose (caused by the installation of the Laser range finder?? you surely know better than me!))... it is really wrong in the KP kit, but looks much better in the KH one.... the Hobby Boss Fitter has yet t be seen in plastic!! You are right,but I believe from now will be a good aftermarket canopy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenH Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) If you build the kit using a small portion of your brain it goes together quite well. Anyone basing an opinion on the way the kit was built in that video which was clearly to gather clicks and stir up controversey would be better off drinking paint thinner. Does anyone anywhere build any model exactly according to instructions? Rule 1 of modelling is instructions are a guide not a straightjacket. Hence reviewer A builds kit according to instructions not common sense and standard modelling practice. Hence it doesnt fit so of course its all Kittyhawks fault. If he had simply done a build assembling the fuselage halves from there seperate pieces as "anyone" with a modicum of modelling experience would do he would of found it goes together quite well...geez what a surprise... Instead he ripped KH a new one because he checked in any semblence of intelligence/common sense/modelling experience in prior to building it. Looked to me like he was out to score cheap points and clicks not build the kit as he would if he where building it for himself. Poor reviewing at best and an opportunity lost to show people a great technique that saves plenty of heartache in MANY kits including many Hasegawa kits. instead he just took the cheap shot. Edited May 5, 2017 by DarrenH Spelling.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDELK Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 I would have to agree with you somewhat,, at the same time though, KH did leave out some simple fixes that could have have been easily corrected. Your right in saying that instructions are more of s guideline to experienced modellers. I do believe he took a cheap shot at KH in the video but I'm sorry to say that he was correct about some of the issues with the kit. I'm going to purchase it anyhow and be the judge for myself.. dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenH Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Agree Dave the kit is not perfect and could be improved. However its fsr better than his review rated it and completely superior in every way to the old OEZ kit. its just a pity modelling has now descended to having reviews put together not to asses the kit but to garner attention in the worst possible style. And then people believe the garbage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDELK Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 Some people will believe anything.. on that note, I see the Hobby Bosx kit for sale on eBay and now I'm curious about that one. I don't see any reviews but I'm sure that's because it's new.. I'm still going to purchase the KH and give it a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pommie commie Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Looking at the surface detail, I'd say it's about the same as the OEZ one........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaf-man Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/kh/build_kh_80144.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 On 09/05/2017 at 10:21 PM, pommie commie said: Looking at the surface detail, I'd say it's about the same as the OEZ one........ If your suggesting that the surface detail on the Kitty Hawk kit is similar to the Kopro kit (I don't believe OEZ ever released the Su-17/22, an Su-7 yes) then I'm afraid that's just not the case. I don't have the Hobby Boss kit but I'd be very, very surprised if the surface detail on that was also about the same as a 20 odd year old kit! Muzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 16 hours ago, iaf-man said: https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/kh/build_kh_80144.shtml Obviously, he's not very familiar with Su-17 family.He forgot too long engine and ... And this is the best joke "Of course you'll also have to decide if you're doing the Su-17M3, Su-17M4, or even an Su-22M3 out of this kit. Remember that you cannot do the Su-22M4 as the rear fuselage has a larger cross-section to house the R-29B engine." Su-22 is an export label Su-17 Only some Su-17 / 22M-3 were built with the R-29 engine. All Su-17 / 22M-4 had an Al-21 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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