robgizlu Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 On 5/6/2017 at 5:59 PM, longshanks said: Not got my references handy but I'm thinking some of the stanchions are pipes, query scratch build supplemented by Paul's etch stanchions. You're the man whose been there, does it sound feasible Kev Definitely, though for convenience sake - etched sets fitted to match are the answer for the superstructure railings. £60 for the 2 Eduad sets is still a tall order. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Hi Rob, I've just being having a prowl through your thread, I'll be keeping an eye out for sure. The photo of the preserved one early on reminded me of the boat we used to do our "Greek Cruise" on in the early 80s, when I was driving camping tours around Europe, a converted B class ML as far as I knew. We used to go out from Piraeus where interestingly there was a fairly anonymous D-boat moored in an adjacent berth to ours. I've long wondered what happened to both of these boats. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I've been checking out the 40mm Bofors. I shall be watching that scratchbuilt with interest Somewhere I have a White ensign 40mm bofors in 1/72 tucked away. Failing that there are plastic 1/72 guns which could be tarted up.... 2 hours ago, robgizlu said: £60 for the 2 Eduad sets is still a tall order Think I'll wait and see what L'Arsenal is going for. I already have their 20mm Oerlikons and they are sublime Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 10:27 AM, stevehnz said: Hi Rob, I've just being having a prowl through your thread, I'll be keeping an eye out for sure. The photo of the preserved one early on reminded me of the boat we used to do our "Greek Cruise" on in the early 80s, when I was driving camping tours around Europe, a converted B class ML as far as I knew. We used to go out from Piraeus where interestingly there was a fairly anonymous D-boat moored in an adjacent berth to ours. I've long wondered what happened to both of these boats. Steve. Hi Steve - that is fascinating and it really is a reminder how close we still are in time to this history. These would probably be 24th Flotilla boats and considering how hard they were driven in the war it's testament to their construction that so many survived. Most of the "short" Vosper boats were signed off after only a couple of active years duty due to the fatigue issues and many broke their backs being driven into heavy seas. Rob On 5/8/2017 at 0:37 PM, longshanks said: Think I'll wait and see what L'Arsenal is going for. I already have their 20mm Oerlikons and they are sublime Kev They are! Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny L Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Hi, There is another photo showing half of the lattice gantry and part of the bridge on the IWM website. It is photo A 23871, Officers transferring to an MTB from HMS Bulolo, the headquarters ship of Commodore C E Douglas-Pennant, naval commander of Assault Force G, 6 June 1944. Link to photo http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205155906 The photos of the Taut Wire Measuring Gear you show are of the Mk 1 equipment which was not the one used on the ML. The Mk 1 had 140 miles of wire and is a lot larger and heavier than the Mk 2 which had 9 miles of wire. Unfortunately I have yet to find any photos of the Mk 2 equipment. I have seen a couple that may show it in place but the equipment has a canvas cover over it so cannot be 100% sure. The Mk 2 TWMG is approximately 2ft long and 18 inches wide Photos A 10436, A 10449 and A 27052 on the IWM website show the Mk 1 140 mile TWMG in use. Regards Danny 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Some good pics/info there Danny Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 19 hours ago, Danny L said: Hi, There is another photo showing half of the lattice gantry and part of the bridge on the IWM website. It is photo A 23871, Officers transferring to an MTB from HMS Bulolo, the headquarters ship of Commodore C E Douglas-Pennant, naval commander of Assault Force G, 6 June 1944. Link to photo http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205155906 The photos of the Taut Wire Measuring Gear you show are of the Mk 1 equipment which was not the one used on the ML. The Mk 1 had 140 miles of wire and is a lot larger and heavier than the Mk 2 which had 9 miles of wire. Unfortunately I have yet to find any photos of the Mk 2 equipment. I have seen a couple that may show it in place but the equipment has a canvas cover over it so cannot be 100% sure. The Mk 2 TWMG is approximately 2ft long and 18 inches wide Photos A 10436, A 10449 and A 27052 on the IWM website show the Mk 1 140 mile TWMG in use. Regards Danny Danny, many, many Thanks. I'm hugely indebted for those finds. The new pic of the Fairmile B is wonderful!!! I'd found the first 2 pics of the Mk1 gear but hadn't seen A27052. I love the research aspect of modelling older craft. The IWM collection really s a treasure trove though not brilliantly catalogued. I should have searched on "HMS Bulolo" With due acknowledgment to the IWM collection and object 205155906 - here's the pic the Fairmile B alongside the support ship for Landing Craft Control ships HMS Bulolo It shows the gantry in excellent detail together with the Hotchkiss pounder f'wrd. This is the best view of the 3 pounder I've ever seen. The smoke stack with it's surrounding stayed protective cover within the gantry is useful as is the detail of the locker "clutter" within. Fantastic pic!! And here's HMS Bulolo the support ship... Thanks again Danny, and welcome to Britmodeller as I see this was your first post. Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted May 15, 2017 Author Share Posted May 15, 2017 I initially thought I'd physically "plank" the deck, but realised that I'd need £25+ of Plastruct strip. It was tempting to get a uniformity of plank width. The other broad alternative was to scribe - I began by drawing a straight line down the middle of the deck and measuring off increments drawing lines at 45 degrees to the centre line and "drawing" off each line. Sadly an accumulation of error plus the slightly curved nature of the deck made this inaccurate by 15cm in So it was back to first priniciples with a protractor and measuring 45 for each and every line The drawing took several hours - the scribing itself about 90 minutes. Is it worth while? Time will tell, but wash will bring out the deck and I hope it will give it some character. And here it is scribed with the pencil lead washed off.... And today's other task was to build another gantry. Careful inspection of Danny's pic from IWM is fascinating. The lattice had diagonals that ran on the outside with crossed supports behind. strengthening plates sat in between the 2 diagonals. They weren't flush like I modelled in my previous effort. I picked up some Coastal Craft etched plates from the Gloucester show yesterday that willfeature And so with a well worn procedure................. The comparison pic shows how much this differs from my previous effort The good news is that there are just fewer "bits" And I stuck the deck down to the hull which was frantic as I used 5min epoxy. I'll know better not to next time. Thanks for looking Rob 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I admire your dedication Rob You must be well cross eyed by now Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJS Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 The new gantry looks great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Rob your second gantry looks much stronger than the first with the added plates will have to remember to get myself some of those for another build beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Thanks Kev, EJS and Beefy. I trimmed the deck back and sanded it flush - messy but made very easy with these excellent heavy duty sanding pads from Modelling Tools. I'm waiting for some Plastruct strip to fit a rubbing strip. So I got on with the 3 pounder Gun platform Which turned out OK. And then I began the superstructure. This is my first real attempt at scratch building structures. I read about one of these and bought it for a couple of pounds. it's a tailors rule and what a difference it makes to cutting. I use the Trumpeter scribing tool which seems to work really well And in an afternoon of much measuring and cursing, the cutting out turned out to be comparatively painless I'm beginning to measure out the deck furniture it actually feels like progress is being made. Thanks for looking Rob 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Beautiful clean job on the gun platform. That deck is looking the biz, well worth the effort. Superstructure looks like its going to fall together (got my fingers crossed for you ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Rob can you tell us where you got the tailors rule from might have to invest in one of those Deck and band stand are coming along very well a lot of progress I would say beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 1 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I'm sure all the effort with the decking will certainly be worth the investment in time, and there is no substitution for total precision for this kind of work to look right - the build so far looks spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 21 hours ago, beefy66 said: Rob can you tell us where you got the tailors rule from might have to invest in one of those beefy Hi Beefy, Metal Safety Cutting ruler It really is useful IMHO, as is using a scriber to "cut" (especially thicker >0.5mm) plastic. HTH Rob On 5/19/2017 at 7:56 PM, longshanks said: Beautiful clean job on the gun platform. That deck is looking the biz, well worth the effort. Superstructure looks like its going to fall together (got my fingers crossed for you ) 14 hours ago, Rob 1 said: I'm sure all the effort with the decking will certainly be worth the investment in time, and there is no substitution for total precision for this kind of work to look right - the build so far looks spot on. Thanks Guys. The hard bit is the front of the coach house, coming up soon (I hope!) Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) Onward progress...... It's actually starting to look like a boat! And as an aside, I just received these from Mark Hawkins of 3 D Boats at Shapeways - 3 D Boats Mark made me the 2 pounders from the John Lambert drawings in "Allied Coastal Forces of WW2" and superb they are too!. They'll come for the HDML build pending. The 3 Pounder gun is also a delight and will feature on my next Fairmile B build - ML188. 4 are very generously supplied. The final items are the Ovoid Rafts that feature prominently in wartime pics of MGBs/MTBs/MLs and HDMLs. Coastal Craft do the rectangle and "traditional" (Flower Class etc) Carley floats (also ovoid and in reality they don't seem to feature so prominently on the smaller boats). Mark very kindly made these up - a damn sight easier than Scratching!!! His work is superb and he now has a very large number of 1/72 offerings - Check them out!!! Thanks for looking Rob Edited May 27, 2017 by robgizlu Add pic 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Gunthwaite Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I'm interested to see what the 3D Boats weaponry paints up like. Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The 3 D printed stuff is looking good watching very closely to see how these turn out beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I meant to say last time your radar tower is a huge improvement on the Mk1, no where near the bulk! Come on spill the beans how did you accomplish that look with the companionway cover I'm also looking forward to seeing the 3D printing with a coat of paint As you said starting to look ship shape now Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I've designed a number of 3D prints for the 1/72nd scale Revell Flower Class. The parts need soaking overnight in soapy water to remove the residue of the wax used to support the resin as it is printed. it also needs exposure to UV light(either a lamp or direct sunlight outside) to totally cure the resin. If these are done they paint up OK. If the UV light is not done they can go a bit spotty over time. Link to my Flower build - http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234961252-my-revell-flower-hms-heather/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Niall said: I've designed a number of 3D prints for the 1/72nd scale Revell Flower Class. The parts need soaking overnight in soapy water to remove the residue of the wax used to support the resin as it is printed. it also needs exposure to UV light(either a lamp or direct sunlight outside) to totally cure the resin. If these are done they paint up OK. If the UV light is not done they can go a bit spotty over time. Link to my Flower build - http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234961252-my-revell-flower-hms-heather/ Hi Niall - I name checked you in Stew's Corvette thread http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235021884-revell-ex-matchbox-172-flower-class-corvette/ I took some "High" depth charge rails off you and they are a thing of wonder and beauty This is all for my Corvette build of HMS Mignonette when I retire I think your stuff is fab - I set it out in sunlight for the UV but I've not soaked overnight - thanks for that. I've really admired your HMS Heather Regards Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) I wish Niall or Mark Hawkins did a late version 3 pounder on a Mk V mountng. They don't so it's scratch time. Pictures of this version are few and far between. it was the earlier 3 pounder with the recoil mechs boxed in, creating a slightly more compact design. Here's about the best pic available.... I tried a shield before starting this build and melted the corner trying to bend it with a hair dryer The 6 pounder done by Coastal Craft was only slightly bigger - so using some simple John Lambert drawings and using the 6 pounder as a comparator I got to here And here's my heartfelt support for Beefy - taking all that flak in the week over rivets!!! I'm WITH you Beefy And I think they are Fab!!! Now to join the shield to the gun And her's just a quick shot to show size comparison with the earlier 3 Pounder on a Mk 1 mounting. One of Al Gunthwaite's excellent figure s is there to give scale Thanks for looking guys Rob Edited June 4, 2017 by robgizlu Add pic 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Great job buddy, I reckon you've done the biz. Now about those rivets Spot on Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 See I,am not the only person around here that has an affiliation for RIVETS. beefy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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