Brad Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I was doing some random reading and it was mentioned the R 530 was a difficult weapon to use due to it's limited launch parameters and short range, which then got me googling if the weapon was used in combat at all and I could find nothing. So hence my question; did anyone actually fire one in anger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 There's at least one kill recorded by IDF/AF on 29 november 1966, by Michael Haber aboard IIICJ n°34, against an Egyptian MiG-19. I was pretty sure that there were a few more, but can't find any so far. R.530 was not a dogfight weapon, it was the intended for the Mirage in its interceptor mission to tackle bombers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 AFAIK the Argentinians used the R 530 without any succes against the British in 1982,while the Pakistan AF employed it in the 1971 war against India. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 PAF records shows three R.530 kills in the 1971 war, with two acknowledged by IAF. First is a Canberra B(I).58 shot down at night on 4 december 1971 above Skardu (Pak) by Flt.Lt Naeem Atta from n°5 sqn PAF. Second is a Hunter on 5 december 1971 above Sakesar (Pak), by Flt.Lt Safdar, also from n°5 sqn. And the last would be an Su-7 shot down over Narowal (India) by Grp.Cpt "Nosey" Haider, n°5 sqn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 On 22/4/2017 at 0:40 PM, Hook said: AFAIK the Argentinians used the R 530 without any succes against the British in 1982,while the Pakistan AF employed it in the 1971 war against India. Cheers, Andre Highly unlikely. All reported launchings TMK involve Shafrir or Magic missiles. Fernando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I've seen a comment that the PAF refused to use the R530 against IAF Gnats because it cost more than the Gnat. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thud4444 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: I've seen a comment that the PAF refused to use the R530 against IAF Gnats because it cost more than the Gnat. That's funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I think the point was more related to the missile being non-dogfigh capable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 The Israelis were highly unimpressed with the R.530, so much so that they usually flew without it, relying instead on cannon armament. The kill mentioned by Antoine was to the best of my knowledge, the only kill recorded by Israel's fighter squadrons with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 SAAF dumped it too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 On 2017-4-26 at 16:27, Graham Boak said: I've seen a comment that the PAF refused to use the R530 against IAF Gnats because it cost more than the Gnat. Better range too 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 To be fair to the R.530, it was (like a lot of its contemporaries) designed to be used against unmanoeuvring, lumbering bombers instead of nimble fightersize targets. Cheers, Andre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 As said in the second post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welkin Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 11 hours ago, Hook said: To be fair to the R.530, it was (like a lot of its contemporaries) designed to be used against unmanoeuvring, lumbering bombers instead of nimble fightersize targets. Ditto Firestreak and Red Top? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Hook said: To be fair to the R.530, it was (like a lot of its contemporaries) designed to be used against unmanoeuvring, lumbering bombers instead of nimble fightersize targets. Cheers, Andre So a Vulcan during Black Buck would have actually been a suitable target, no ? Or an Egytian Tu-16 Badger ... Edited April 29, 2017 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 19 hours ago, exdraken said: So a Vulcan during Black Buck would have actually been a suitable target, no ? Or an Egytian Tu-16 Badger ... Well, the Vulcan is remarkably agile for its size... Cheers, Andre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) On 4/22/2017 at 5:12 AM, Antoine said: R.530 was not a dogfight weapon, it was the intended for the Mirage in its interceptor mission to tackle bombers. The same was true of the cockpit switchology. Operating a pulse radar in a single seat aircraft, prior to the introduction of HOTAS was very intensive and meant burying one's head in the radar scope (often literally). Once it turned into a visual fight, the radar and radar guided weapon were essentially useless, because the radar typically required "heads down" operation to get a lock. Late in its career, the contemporary F-106 got around this by adding the capability to use the IRST seeker to cue the radar in a visual fight allowing the pilot to keep looking outside during the process. Regards, Murph Edited April 30, 2017 by Murph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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