occa Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 @Mike: An observation, likely you know this already anyways: It starts to act up the same moment I generally allow cookies in Firefox, it just logged me into other accounts three times in a row with my first refresh after enabling them without even clicking on 'Sign in'. I even had disallowed cookies, closed the browser and cleaned everything in between then allowed cookies again. Nothing happens if I have them disallowed but of course I cannot log in that way, not here and not anywhere else. Edit: Now suddenly it seems to hold, at least while I am logged in, at least for the last twenty mins ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 1 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) DELETED Someone has used my account! Edited June 10, 2017 by Rob 1 DELETED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAVY870 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 46 minutes ago, Scimitar said: but is it really you? After today's carry on you might be unfortunate enough to be me! Let me just answer my 3 id confirmation questions 1. Ed Heineman is God 2. A & 4 3. Air force. Nope definitely me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I just caught up with this thread. I'm sorry to hear about all the hassle you've had Mike. Clearly I'm not alone in being very appreciative of the very existence of this site. As far as I'm concerned (I don't think I'm alone here), it's the best place on the internet. I think there's great tolerance and kindness here. There's also superb research, exchanging of resources, a real generosity in sharing often studiously researched information on very specific and specialist historic subjects. I'm no great modeller, but I enjoy trying to improve so that, if I do ever finish anything, ever, again () I can at least tolerate it on display somewhere in the house. To that end, Britmodeller is a place where I find that I'm not scared to ask for advice on modelling. I don't feel I will be derided or trolled, even if what I ask is something that many others take to be really basic knowledge. That indicates a great online community. I don't know what the other sites are. I think it's best I don't as I don't want to see negativity and vitriol. Let's all just keep muddling along, it's what we do best . All best regards TonyT 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardie Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Is it just me or is the signature style of that post above under the name Rob 1 familiar to any one? I am almost certain I have read the very same style not only here but elsewhere. In response to the points made in that post. This site has an owner and his appointed moderators, it is his property and he has the full right to administer it as he sees fit. He does not demand donations, We donate willingly as we like it here and are happy to contribute in order that it may continue to be the way we like it. How those donations are then used is not a concern to me and I am sure others who contribute feel the same. Why should I care about the accounts of a site which I access for free and I chuck a few quid in the pot of my own free will without a care as to how those donations are spent. I donate to the RAF benevolent fund, RNLI, Mountain Rescue and other good causes and I don't demand to know where the money goes, I trust the recipient to use the donations as they see fit to promote and grow their operations. Should we wish to go elsewhere we are free to do so. I am staying put. Bully boy tactics, underhand hacking and smears are something I hate with a passion and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who is the victim of such disreputable behaviour. Who cares where the bad feeling started, we are grown-ups and quite capable of making our own choices. If you get banned because the owner of the establishment doesn't like you, so what? It's his ball, his court and that is it. You walk away, act like a man and get on with your life. Man I can't believe that I am really rising to answer to such pathetic, petty drivel. As for the situation with signing in under other names I would guess that someone with in depth knowledge and a very big grudge has opened some form of hatch or backdoor in the software and is deliberately causing trouble. Sadly I think there is still something very sinister going on. If I were to guess I would say that the Denial of Service attacks were a ruse/distraction technique to disguise a real hack which has successfully breached security and has gained access to peoples' accounts and all the information that is stored therein and is now being used to to try and cause real disruption and distress to members 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Rob 1 said: For the record, I am not Nick Millman (and now I see that I am someone else). But I think some even handedness may be called for here. If, as has been said on this forum, that there are legal investigations going on (assisted by a prominent member here), and the police may be involved and are carrying out an investigation, why is it that nothing is happening if everyone (and especially the person who runs this site) knows who it is? The site which is being quoted (or rather implied) here is still running, the members are still there........ The site which is being targeted here in this topic, is a modelling site. Yes, quite a few members there have been banned from Britmodeller. Ask yourselves why. In the main, it was not because they went 'against the rules' of Britmodeller, it was because they may have said something which was not agreeable to the moderators here. Note what I just said. They said something which was not agreeable to the partly line. Not against the rules, just not agreeable to the party line. I would say that that is nothing to do with rules. It has been mentioned that there are a few people who were banned who were 'prominent modellers'. Sadly, Britmodeller does miss out because so many 'prominent modellers' said something which was not agreed to by the moderators here. I could name quite a few..... Sadly, I see that there is a certain clique within Britmodeller. Some members can say anything they want without any sanction being made. There was an example just the other day, when a member basically 'rubbished' an internet provider, because he had 'heard of someone' who had had a bad experience with them. Hardly evidence which would stand up. Many posts thereafter extolled the virtues of that ISP. Was anything said to that member? I think you know the answer..... 'Britmodeller takes great pride in the number of members it has. But has anyone actually counted how many 'active' members there are? When I say 'active' I mean members who are posting. There is a big difference. I think the number of 'active' members are in the small hundreds. This may be a great place, but it is not as great as you think. Have you counted the number who have ben banned? Have you really looked into why they were banned? I do know that the owner of this site said, when it was starting, that 'no one would be banned'. So who is being truthful? It is easy to sit and type on a keyboard, but has no one her (and I mean NO ONE) actually looked a bit deeper into where the bad feeling started? Britmodeller asks for donations. Not a bad thing. But has anyone actually seen any accounts? If all is well, then there should be no problem in showing them. It is said that 'database issues' mean that topics should not run more that 40 pages. Indeed, some are closed at that level. But some topics run much more. If it is 'database issues' I take it that you mean the number of posts. But Britmodeller continues to allow completely pointless topics to be restarted time after time (4 word story - subscribed to by probably no more that 10 people). 50 topics at 40 pages each is still adding to the database...... Another simple question. If everything here is so good, how come I have visited Britmodeller and find I am logged in as a member? It would appear from previous posts that this is happening quite a lot recently. Everything in the garden is rosy of course, and it is just the other people who are in the wrong..... So if you are not Rob 1, just who are you? It's adorable that you have posted quite a weighty viewpoint but not quite had the courage to identify yourself. Yep, it's true a number of persons have been removed from the site for disagreeing with the Mods. Normally after ignoring a rule multiple times and then being called to task about it and disagreeing vehemently with the Mods before flouncing off. The number who have been banned initially by the Mods compared to those who just flounced off in a huff and tipped up on this and other sites announcing that the nasty Mods had in fact banned them is very different. But why spoil a good story that makes you seem all cool and edgy with the others for peer group acceptance. As as for moderating, we do make mistakes, have made mistakes and will make mistakes but having witnessed some of the behaviour behind the scenes, there are people in the modelling community who really should not hold their heads up high in public and act all aggrieved. The snippet posted before as a screenshot is not the half of it. My favourite comment from another site by one of these people who consider themselves to be a "prominent" member of the modelling community said it all when he mentioned that he was such, and most of his friends who were also banned, were also "prominent members of the modelling community with some sway" was telling, both in arrogance and the fact that he was unable/unwilling to make the correlations between his behaviour, their behaviour and why they were all friends. Birds of a feather? As a point of note, this individual has also been banned from other sites. "Prominent" members get treated exactly the same as other members here, that's what probably grates the most...... On here, you are not judged on your last model build, you are judged on the next post that you make. Because your abilities at sticking bits of your plastic together and painting them together with your "prominence" and sense of self worth are not an excuse for behaving like some have, nor do they hold any water with the Mod team for excuses. Parity. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Well said Beardie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Just now, for a couple of minutes, I was Panzer Vor! I couldn't log out - it wouldn't let me so I just did a 'back' and I turned into me again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Ahhh I lost the screen it went grey and faded out and I was Richard ........??? Logged out and it went back to normal 6 minutes ago, Black Knight said: I was Panzer Vor! Got a head ache ?? iI had but its gone now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Firstly Beardie has expressed most eloquently what I and many others here think, so I won't revisit his detailed post. But what a waste of effort. Firstly from 'them' (that appears to be the convention on both sites in reference to 'the other' site). How much effort and how much money is being is being expended in this petty vindictiveness? Get a grip. Get a life. Get out of here. Secondly, the time Mike and the moderating team are spending firefighting this nonsense when they could be doing something they actually enjoy. To hear that this is causing Mike personal grief is shocking. PEOPLE - WE STICK SMALL BITS OF PLASTIC TOGETHER. Money? When I made my donation recently PayPal said it was credited to the BM Server Fund. That is all. BTW I'm actually Trevor. Sorry and all that...... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Panzer Vor!!! said: Ahhh I lost the screen it went grey and faded out and I was Richard ........??? Logged out and it went back to normal Got a head ache ?? iI had but its gone now Actually; I have, a mild one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Ok Its not me Im ANDREW JONES AND CANT LOG OUT OF HIS PROFILE iTS PANZER VOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 ^^^^^according to 'your' profile, you are currently viewing gallery. Is Andrew also logged in as himself at the moment? Still Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorby Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 To whoever you are - it would be nice to tell us who you are rather than who you aren't. When you first set something up, you have no idea what you are letting yourself in for, so you are idealistic and positive. Then a plonker or two or three or four…. comes along and all that changes. From personal experience I know that in these situations the rules have to evolve over time, to deal with issues that you could never have envisioned at the start. 9 hours ago, Rob 1 said: Britmodeller takes great pride in the number of members it has. But has anyone actually counted how many 'active' members there are? When I say 'active' I mean members who are posting. There is a big difference. I think the number of 'active' members are in the small hundreds. This may be a great place, but it is not as great as you think. It is always the case that there is a lot more members than 'active' members. Scalemates for example has about 14,000 members, but probably only 100 to 200 actively contribute. I notice that I couldn't find the member total of the 'other' site, but I'm sure it's true for it as well. I don't really see what point you are trying to make. 9 hours ago, Rob 1 said: It is said that 'database issues' mean that topics should not run more that 40 pages. Indeed, some are closed at that level. But some topics run much more. If it is 'database issues' I take it that you mean the number of posts. But Britmodeller continues to allow completely pointless topics to be restarted time after time (4 word story - subscribed to by probably no more that 10 people). 50 topics at 40 pages each is still adding to the database.... One of the things I like about BM is that it isn't totally about plastic. If you get involved it becomes a group of friends. When you get together with your friends do you only have one subject of conversation? When I meet mine, we talk about anything, there are 'in' jokes and general silliness. So why can't it be the same on BM? When I first signed up I thought that there was an 'in group', and the four word story seemed to confirm that. So I added my four words to see if they would be ignored, they weren't. When you take the time to get involved, BM is a very accepting community and we just want to get on with having a laugh without all this Not the Queen of Sheba 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAVY870 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Greg B said: but not quite had the courage to identify yourself. Hammer, nail and head. Edited June 10, 2017 by NAVY870 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Rob 1 said: For the record, I am not Nick Millman (and now I see that I am someone else). But I think some even handedness may be called for here. If, as has been said on this forum, that there are legal investigations going on (assisted by a prominent member here), and the police may be involved and are carrying out an investigation, why is it that nothing is h QUOTE reduced by Laurie to enable ease of reading. Heck Mr Pseudonym if it is that bad for you why are you here ? Mike runs it, as I would, how he wants to. If you do not like cheese you do not eat it. Like strawberries stay with them. I have not from an early age respected any one who hides behind another name. If you have the courage of your conviction, in my book, you sign them to enable all to see who and what you stand for. Stand tall and proud. Laurie, the name my mum and dad gave me. Edited June 10, 2017 by LaurieS 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Just in response to Rob1's comment about accounts. I see a breakdown of the accounts every month thanks to the great work Dave (shar2) does in managing them. I also donate £5 month standing order to contribute to the running of the site, I believe it's a small price to pay for the fantastic support I get not only from Mike and the admin team, but from the wealth of incredibly helpful people I have met here, who several I now consider good friends. I like to stay out of the politics as to me, this is a hobby, I get enough politics in work, but I think that if Mike decided to close britmodeller down, there are many who would be worse off. I agree that Mike has a fairly tight moderating line, something that we have discussed and debated many times behind the scenes (I have access to the admin section). It's not difficult to stay on the right side of the required etiquette. If people choose to deviate, it can have consequences, that was no surprise for many of those who were banned or stormed off in a huff. Mike is transparent about the rules and ettiquette here and in having an account, we all 'agree' to operate within them. With so much real stuff going on in the world, I struggle to understand why so many people fall out over bits of plastic 🤔 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Ok I had to log out of Andrews profile ( sorry buddy ) to get out and off the forum and when i tried to log back in it refused my passwords and locked me out !!!! Isnt this FUN not ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 One final comment, The Other Place has removed the thread which seemed to be the area where some of their members were airing their grievances. It has now been replaced by another which has 'let's rub along together' as its theme. Live and let live. Hopefully the heat is now dissipating from the situation. Me? I'm going back to the sandpit that is Four Word Story. Feel free to join Still being Trevor 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A H Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 18 hours ago, Rob 1 said: For the record, I am not Nick Millman (and now I see that I am someone else). But I think some even handedness may be called for here. If, as has been said on this forum, that there are legal investigations going on (assisted by a prominent member here), and the police may be involved and are carrying out an investigation, why is it that nothing is happening if everyone (and especially the person who runs this site) knows who it is? The site which is being quoted (or rather implied) here is still running, the members are still there........ The site which is being targeted here in this topic, is a modelling site. Yes, quite a few members there have been banned from Britmodeller. Ask yourselves why. In the main, it was not because they went 'against the rules' of Britmodeller, it was because they may have said something which was not agreeable to the moderators here. Note what I just said. They said something which was not agreeable to the partly line. Not against the rules, just not agreeable to the party line. I would say that that is nothing to do with rules. It has been mentioned that there are a few people who were banned who were 'prominent modellers'. Sadly, Britmodeller does miss out because so many 'prominent modellers' said something which was not agreed to by the moderators here. I could name quite a few..... Sadly, I see that there is a certain clique within Britmodeller. Some members can say anything they want without any sanction being made. There was an example just the other day, when a member basically 'rubbished' an internet provider, because he had 'heard of someone' who had had a bad experience with them. Hardly evidence which would stand up. Many posts thereafter extolled the virtues of that ISP. Was anything said to that member? I think you know the answer..... 'Britmodeller takes great pride in the number of members it has. But has anyone actually counted how many 'active' members there are? When I say 'active' I mean members who are posting. There is a big difference. I think the number of 'active' members are in the small hundreds. This may be a great place, but it is not as great as you think. Have you counted the number who have ben banned? Have you really looked into why they were banned? I do know that the owner of this site said, when it was starting, that 'no one would be banned'. So who is being truthful? It is easy to sit and type on a keyboard, but has no one her (and I mean NO ONE) actually looked a bit deeper into where the bad feeling started? Britmodeller asks for donations. Not a bad thing. But has anyone actually seen any accounts? If all is well, then there should be no problem in showing them. It is said that 'database issues' mean that topics should not run more that 40 pages. Indeed, some are closed at that level. But some topics run much more. If it is 'database issues' I take it that you mean the number of posts. But Britmodeller continues to allow completely pointless topics to be restarted time after time (4 word story - subscribed to by probably no more that 10 people). 50 topics at 40 pages each is still adding to the database...... Another simple question. If everything here is so good, how come I have visited Britmodeller and find I am logged in as a member? It would appear from previous posts that this is happening quite a lot recently. Everything in the garden is rosy of course, and it is just the other people who are in the wrong..... As a 'staffer' but not a moderator on this site, I am, along with the other 'staffers' party to information and discussion about some of the issues referred to above. As such, I feel qualified to comment on this post. Before I do, however, I will say that my loyalty to this site - or any individual involved with it - is not blind. I do not always agree with decisions that have been made or actions that have been taken. Mike and Greg will confirm this. As Greg says above, mistakes are made from time-to-time. The decisions that I feel I disagree with are in the minority, however. More importantly, I am able to voice my opinion without fear of censure or recriminations. I am here of my own free will. I am an adult, with a sense of perspective and I am able to place things in their proper context and deal with them. A great number of the former members who have claimed to have been 'banned' have not actually been banned. They have decided to leave because of reasons that I'm sure are perfectly valid to them. I am aware of many of those reasons. Like me, they are able to make decisions for themselves. Many of them feel they have a legitimate grievance against the moderators and have asked for their accounts to be frozen. That is their choice and it is not for me to question their choices. They are free to make decisions about their membership as they see fit. We are all responsible for making our own choices, but we are also accountable for the choices we make. With that in mind, ask yourself this: what kind of person leaves a site - or indeed is banned - about building plastic kits and then goes to the trouble of setting up a site or group with the sole purpose of holding this site, its owner, staff and moderators up to public ridicule? What kind of person writes hateful, expletive-ridden missives about Mike's family? What kind of person writes sneering comments about novice modellers who are asking what they might perceive to be stupid questions? What kind of person deliberately writes things which they know to be false, with the sole intent of damaging his reputation? What kind of person hides behind their friends, the very same people who were the subject of their scorn not all that long ago? Is this the behaviour of a normal person? Is this a sensible, measured response? Or is it the kind of action you might expect from a playground bully? Not the classic 'big kid' playground bully, who just wants to smash your face in and steal your dinner money. The kind that eggs others on, dares them to pick on someone, but when the teacher arrives, is nowhere to be seen. That's what we are dealing with here. Hatred on a pathological level. On 2017-6-9 at 3:18 PM, Gorbygould said: It seems that whenever you do something successful, there is always someone who thinks that they deserve it rather than you, and because they are incapable of your success they think that shooting you down would be a similar achievement. Your summary is absolutely correct. That's why the other poster above has set out to try and prove than Britmodeller has only a few hundred active members. If that were true, it would be as much of as lifeless backwater as some of the other minority modelling forums. You know, the ones where it's the same few people posting over and over again. They rarely make a go of it because they are populated by waifs and strays who have fallen out with other, more successful sites. Hardly a recipe for success, is is? It is nasty, small minded jealousy, pure and simple. I rarely speak out on these issues because I try to preserve my hobbies for enjoyment. Quite simply, I find the whole thing distasteful and for that reason I dislike getting involved. Enough horrible shit happens in this world because people are unable to achieve a sense of perspective, without us letting it invade the one thing that most of us try to do to find some kind of peace. Mike doesn't have that option. He is the target of most of this vile hatred, and he can do little to protect himself or his family. I know Mike, and while he might be a horrible git of a man he does not deserve this. He is not the reason for these people's unhappiness. They need to look inside to find that. “If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month.” ― Theodore Roosevelt 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Perfectly written Paul 👍🏼 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Indeed it is And it perfecly makes my position here I haven't paid any money to the site,yet (wait til I'm back from Le Mans) but I would not be worried where it went as long as it got HERE If the epistler above was open and honest I could respect he/she/it but in the circumstances, I do not I've been to the site a while back, it seems barren and dreary and driven by spite and that was why I stopped going there even before this cruddy, spite filled behaviour hit us here I don't expect to go back any time 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullbasket Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 G'day Chums,Alex Gordon trading as Bullbasket here.Logging out and back in again in a moment to see who I'm going to be next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 This reminds me of the cartoon Mr Benn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Bullbasket said: G'day Chums,Alex Gordon trading as Bullbasket here.Logging out and back in again in a moment to see who I'm going to be next. And I was you the moment you posted this lol ... I hurried up to log out and close browser as soon I saw it ... at least now we are all aware to constantly check if we landed in a foreign account 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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