JosephLalor Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 5/9/2017 at 2:33 PM, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: I understand the post war BS241 weathered somewhat differently to the wartime colour due to its formulation though so their respective appearances on real aircraft may indeed be a bit different - but they also have different juxtapositions because in WW2 the green was usually worn beside Dark Earth or Ocean Grey whereas on Hunters, Phantoms etc it was against Dark Sea Grey so the whole impression of the scheme and how green or olive the green looks can seem different because the adjacent colour is also different. I recall seeing the effect of metamerism on two models painted in Xtracolors. One was Dark Green and Dark Earth, the other was Dark Green and Ocean Grey, the two applications of Dark Green being from the same tin. On the green/earth model the green looked more blue, against the grey it looked more brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Cookenbacher said: Well that turned out just about perfect. Please teach/advise me how to improve for the next one? Thats not sarcasm I am always willing to learn, thats why we are here on this forum... You're the current spitfire build guru I believe The pattern is 90% there I think, With this being a post war plane in turkish markings I imagine there would be most likely be some repainting/covering old markings? So for this one there is room for a little 'fudge factor' to keep the spitfire at bay... Which is why I painted it first 👍🏿 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 Double post 😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Thanks for the template link Tony. K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Tony Oliver said: Please teach/advise me how to improve for the next one? Honestly, I was just trying to leave a little room for your next ones, in case you outdid yourself! That is a fantastic result anyone should be proud of. 1 hour ago, Tony Oliver said: Thats not sarcasm I am always willing to learn, thats why we are here on this forum... You're the current spitfire build guru I believe I've spent the last three years soaking up all I can here on BM and feel like I'm still just getting started, so forgive me for being a little taken aback at being called a Spitfire guru. Your silver Eduard Spitfire is second to none. 2 hours ago, Tony Oliver said: With this being a post war plane in turkish markings I imagine there would be most likely be some repainting/covering old markings? So for this one there is room for a little 'fudge factor' to keep the spitfire at bay... Which is why I painted it first 👍🏿 As far as fading and weathering, that can be a controversial area with lots of schools of thought and is very subjective - that's why I like to post a reference pic with weathered builds, to try and get the observers and myself on the same page if possible. Your F-14's and silver Spitfire have proven that you don't need much weathering/finishing advice, but I'm happy to share anything I know. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, Cookenbacher said: Honestly, I was just trying to leave a little room for your next ones, in case you outdid yourself! That is a fantastic result anyone should be proud of. I've spent the last three years soaking up all I can here on BM and feel like I'm still just getting started, so forgive me for being a little taken aback at being called a Spitfire guru. Your silver Eduard Spitfire is second to none. As far as fading and weathering, that can be a controversial area with lots of schools of thought and is very subjective - that's why I like to post a reference pic with weathered builds, to try and get the observers and myself on the same page if possible. Your F-14's and silver Spitfire have proven that you don't need much weathering/finishing advice, but I'm happy to share anything I know. Thanks very much mate I'm flattered! Those spitfires in your 'sorry they are late' makes you a guru. You either know what you're on about or very convincing at pretending that Some of that kit bashing is something I wouldn't dream of yet! And yeah I like the idea of building to reference pics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 Next green is done! This time it is the AK air on the greek C wing. Persevered With the paper masks, used some loops of tape to get them to 'float' ever so slightly. Green on! With the grey - turns out quite a light/pale scheme. Guess its Ak's 'scale effect' pre lightened colours. Should work well for this soon to be old sunbleached greek plane... Also started compiling this chart cause I am strange Again, Thanks for looking 👍🏿 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 Now for the xtracrylix! This is the Russian E wing. Note this scheme will have a white tail and rudder. The rudder was left off and painted seperate along when the tail was done in white straight after primer before the ocean grey. The tail was then masked off. It's an easier area to mask off than mask around if that makes sense. Coming along fast now... Freehand work (all soft edge) for the next three! Speaking of which not sure about the half and half of these last two (ak & xtra) regards the demarcations. I like the all hard edge colourcoats, but these with the bit of both is making me tick a bit... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 They're looking lovely. Johnny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 Next! @HATAKA OFFICIAL Hataka orange line. (Lacquer type) Green added freehand with a 0.2mm needle. *Amazing paint* I now rate this over Mr Color and as good as if not better than Mr Paint. Will start a new topic in the paint section about it in more detail. Nuff said. I'll let the pics do the talking. Have a great weekend all! 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Whoa, things are happening fast now - fantastic free hand work with the Hataka! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 That's some lovely paint work you have done, the camo looks excellent, really smooth finish! Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 12 hours ago, The Spadgent said: They're looking lovely. Johnny. Thanks Johnny 👍🏿 10 hours ago, Cookenbacher said: Whoa, things are happening fast now - fantastic free hand work with the Hataka! Thanks, it's really easy to use I did the Mr paint Serb C wing also last night but didn't want to bore people with too many pics. Just the Mr Color one left to do now! 4 hours ago, rob85 said: That's some lovely paint work you have done, the camo looks excellent, really smooth finish! Rob Thanks, the hataka paints do have a lovely consistent finish, no blotchy areas like you can get with some other brands when you thin them down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 Some of my thoughts in more detail regards the new hataka orange line, because not everyone is into spitfires so won't get to learn about this new paint here in this WIP 👍🏿 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 Mr paint's dark green is on. Not very dark at all. Came out quite blotchy too. Freehand with 0.2 needle. Hopefully a pre decal gloss will smooth things out. Ps - sky band was sprayed first after the primer before adding all the day fighter shades. Again easier to mask off than mask around. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Thanks again for doing this Tony - it must be a real pain painting with stuff you know is not the best around... or even on your bench! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, CedB said: Thanks again for doing this Tony - it must be a real pain painting with stuff you know is not the best around... or even on your bench! No worries mate 👍🏿 Worst so far was the ak air to be honest. The greys weren't too bad but that green was shocking. Very patchy and blotchy. Reminds me of when I did that 1/72 he-111 earlier this year in ak air. The upper RLM greens 70 & 71 sprayed similarly. Very patchy finish. Must be something they use in particular for their green pigments perhaps? The rest have were all great. It's been fun playing around with different paints these past couple of weeks. Got to stay switched on trying to get the best out of each type though adjusting the setup etc. No had a mistake or wrong part in wrong paint yet he says touch wood. These builds are certainly keeping me on my toes so to speak! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Tony Oliver said: Worst so far was the ak air to be honest. The greys weren't too bad but that green was shocking. Very patchy and blotchy. Reminds me of when I did that 1/72 he-111 earlier this year in ak air. The upper RLM greens 70 & 71 sprayed similarly. Very patchy finish. Must be something they use in particular for their green pigments perhaps? Makes you wonder whether they actually try their stuff out before selling it! They must surely be aware of results such as yours Tony? Or do they know that we modellers will just keep on buying stuff regardless? I was really impressed with the finish you got with the xtracrylics. I find them a real mare to spray, never get a particularly good result with them, but still keep buying more of their paints...!! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, keefr22 said: I was really impressed with the finish you got with the xtracrylics. Cheers mate 👍🏿 I used ultimate modelling products universal thinner. Great stuff. Use it with all my water based type acrylics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Thanks Tony, something else to save the pocket money for then! K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tony Oliver said: I used ultimate modelling products universal thinner. Great stuff. Use it with all my water based type acrylics Is this ultimate thinner stuff particularly attractive to airbrushers or is it of any use to brush painters too? John. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, johnd said: Is this ultimate thinner stuff particularly attractive to airbrushers or is it of any use to brush painters too? John. Yeah they label it as an airbrush thinner mate. Might be too hot to use for brushing? I will try out for you tomorrow perhaps on some scrap and report back 🕵🏿 https://www.umpretail.com/products/ultimate-airbrush-thinner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 That'd be great, thanks. John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 Last one (for now) Free hand Mr Color dark green C361 on the USA C wing. Leveling thinner & the 0.2mm needle again. Its an xtradecal option saying corsica early 1944 and a 'field' paint job. Perhaps a repaint over a desert scheme from when it was based there? Anyways followed the sheet, its almost like the A pattern with a bit of variation. I kept this one a bit 'rougher' to convey this idea compared to the other two freehand jobs that are much tighter and supposed to represent factory paint jobs. Not Alot of contrast with these paints because the ocean grey is quite dark already and the dark green is more 'medium' than dark. Teaser groupshot next! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 I had doubts of getting this far. Did anyone else? Will get some better daylight pictures tomorrow with bottles etc. We have so far: 3 freehand lacquer acrylics, and then 3 masked paintjobs - 1 enamel and 2 water based acrylics. Broke the back of this challenge so to speak, it should be all downhill from here - decals, weathering and then final assy with props, u/c and exhausts etc. There will be a lull though now whilst I get the next three (mr hobby, tamiya & model air) up to the same point as these six. More cockpits to do yey! Thanks for looking 👍🏿 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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