longshanks Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 5 hours ago, RichO said: I'm glad you're not helping me build the Maz!! Aw come on you're just as daft mad silly as I am you just do it in a bigger scale. You would be splicing the rope/wire and fitting/making shackles. Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Okido, we are in business: Based on the 3-5 ton derricks on the M.S. Ouwerkerk's rigging plan as included in the Shipbuilding book written by Gugelot and Helwig, 1962 edition. Shrouds 30/40 Wire 0.15/0.2 Circumference 2" breaking strength 15 tons Ratlines 10 Natural 0.05 Not mentioned, ladder on mast. Topping Lift 25 Wire 0.125 Circumference 3.75" breaking strength 37 tons Cargo wire 20 Wire 0.1 Circumference 2.4" breaking strength 14.5 tons Guy pendant 12 Wire 0.06 Circumference 2.75" Breaking strength 19 tons Guy tackle 12 Natural 0.06 Wire on this ship Circumference 2.75" Breaking strength 19 tons Forestay 20/25 Wire 0.1/0.125 Circumference 2" Breaking strength 15 tons Bit difficult to scan the entire rigging plan, the mentioned rigging of the Ouwerkerk is probably more hefty than on the Puffer. The Ouwerkerk also uses two derricks in combination to discharge the cargo (one above the hold and one outboard above the quay). Hope this is of some help, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 Julian you are a star !! I can at least get everything in proportion now, I was certainly out with my guy rigging. I found an indication on a drawing that the SWL of the Puffer derrick was 30cwt (1 1/2 tons) Thanks again for your efforts, going to be useful in ongoing projects Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Welcome Kev, here is the entire table of the Ouwerkerk: Translations should be easy to find on-line, cheers Julian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 Cheers Matey I've got rigging sizes for sailing boats but nothing about cargo gear I know I'm being anal but I like to get it something like it and more important in proportion Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 No problem Kev, I'll see if I can copy the entire plan when I get back to work next week, try and fit it into a couple of A3 scans, then you have the entire plan, cheers, Julian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 23 hours ago, longshanks said: The way the mental health service works (?) these days I reckon I'm safe for 5/10 years Not really: for some time they have been sending their patients to BM until they get round to them. I'm living proof! Martian (Currently engaged to a small rosebush) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Martian Hale said: Martian (Currently engaged to a small rosebush) Either way your mrs is not going to be very happy with your statement. ' Martian engaged to a little gentleman's parts ' ................... Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 All this information for the rigging will come in handy for my lightship rigging to A question from me about the fixing points for the main masts would they be attached to the deck or the inside of the deck wall/ fence not sure what it is called and how would these fixing points look would they be some kind of shackle or fixed eyelet or cleats beefy the inquisitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 Hi Keith, Hope you enjoyed Tenerife Now you are revitalised it's time to crack to.... I think your asking about the shrouds (ropes either side running from near the top of the mast to the sides of the ship. Normally attached to the deck inside the bulwark (wall), shackled to a large eyebolt Via a bottle screw/ turnbuckle to adjust the tension. Looks wise you looking at something similar to my pic Friday @22:44 4th pic down. Trying to find pic on the web to explain this better Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 35 minutes ago, longshanks said: Hi Keith, Hope you enjoyed Tenerife Now you are revitalised it's time to crack to.... I think your asking about the shrouds (ropes either side running from near the top of the mast to the sides of the ship. Normally attached to the deck inside the bulwark (wall), shackled to a large eyebolt Via a bottle screw/ turnbuckle to adjust the tension. Looks wise you looking at something similar to my pic Friday @22:44 4th pic down. Trying to find pic on the web to explain this better Kev Had a great time thanks Kev planning next one already Thanks for that info think I understand what you mean I think I might just have the right thing for it Cheers Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 5 hours ago, longshanks said: Either way your mrs is not going to be very happy with your statement. Have you stopped to think how the rosebush feels? Martian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 3 hours ago, beefy66 said: Had a great time thanks Kev planning next one already Got carried away when you mentioned this .... we over in the autumn and the other day we were talking about winter ,,,, and well we will be out early in the new year I told you lies whilst thinking about the sun. I've actually checked some pics instead of assuming, it looks like she had individual stays/shrouds to the four compass points depending on which pic you go with. The base fixing/adjusting will be as I said but no ladder effect Sorry. 2 hours ago, Martian Hale said: Have you stopped to think how the rosebush feels? Quite happy to say that no I haven't! Harsh I know but there we are .... 8 hours ago, longshanks said: Martian engaged to a little gentleman's parts I must say I loved the censored version Kev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 11 hours ago, longshanks said: Quite happy to say that no I haven't! Harsh I know but there we are .... Seems like we will be calling you "Longshanks Harsh But Not So Fair" in future then! The rosebush is decidedly miffed with you BTW. Martian (With apologies to Karen Brady) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Martian Hale said: Seems like we will be calling you "Longshanks Harsh But Not So Fair" in future then! More like longshanks lying on his back clutching his sides howling with laughter......................... I know you're mad with me but it's lowercase l in longshanks, no blue blood here. I'm pleased to say I had to look it up but for you lot out also not in the know Karen Brody, The Love And Intimacy Coach You really need to change your brand of glue, you are completely and delightfully insane. There I bet that's the nicest thing anyone has said to you all week Kev still laughing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I'm not mad at you, just the usual mad. Martian (madder than mad Mac Mc Martian) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just a small update after lots of experiments Satisfied this is the best I'm going to get the shrouds, yes the one on the right and on the vessel oh and I've been painting up the shed on the back and if you look closely you can see the stays to the chimney As for soldering, believe me I tried and tried and tried and failed.... This is a combo of thread, fine wire a superglue Thanks for looking in Kev 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardie Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 A splendid model I am a big fan of the old Clyde Puffers. Would elastic EZLine maybe be a good scale rigging? One of these days I will save up my pennies and buy the 1/32 kit of the Clyde Puffer from Caldercraft as I don't have the mad skills to build from scratch like yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Looking good there Kev like the way this is all starting to come together now beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Glad you like it 56 minutes ago, Beardie said: Would elastic EZLine maybe be a good scale rigging? Do you know I'd completely forgotten about EZLine. Certainly be worth looking at for the running rigging. No good for the standing rigging a you rigidity, There are some nice Puffers out there aimed at the R/C market (Caldercraft/Mountfleet Models) I really don't think it would be difficult to scratch build one in say 1/72 giving a model 11" long. Plenty of plans and reference material out there Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardie Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Unfortunately I am too cack handed for scratch build one. I have looked at the Caldercraft one many times over the years and 1/32 is my preferred scale as I normally build Wingnut Wings WWI aircraft. I suppose I could see about buying a hull and build up from there as I reckon the hull is probably the most awkard part to create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 I'll check around and see if I can find a 1/32 hull for you Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Thought I'd seen some 1/32 http://www.orionmouldings.com/apps/webstore/products/show/4187286 1/24 http://www.orionmouldings.com/apps/webstore/products/show/4187466 1/72 http://deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/10_11/products_id/182 Enjoy Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Those new shrouds will look fine once they are tightened up. Martian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Nice job on the ratlines - the whole creation is looking Fab - the pen is a stark reminder on the scale Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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