F-100C main gear doors

[RidgeRunner]

Hi all,

 

Looking for some guidance.

 

I have an F-100C nearly complete but I have seen mention on line that the gear doors (those with the leg, not those under the fuselage) are one piece in this model and not 2-piecve as in the D-model. Is that correct? If so, the Trumpeter is wrong. Am I correct, though, in saying it is simply a matter of glueing the 2-part offering to make the single door?

 

All help appreciated. Thanks.

 

Martin

 

[Hook]

Do these help? - scroll halfway down for the C stuff:

 

http://www.ipms.nl/walkarounds/walkarounds-vliegtuigen/564-walkaround-f100-super-sabre.html

 

Cheers,

 

Andre

[RidgeRunner]

Thanks Andre. The head-on shot in the second batch of images looks like it shows a single door  Thanks.

Martin

[72modeler]

I found a photo that shows the 2-piece main landing gear door fitted to F-100D's and F's- see link below.

 

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/awa01/101-200/awa178-F-100D/images_Ben_Brown/F-100D center main gear doors.jpg

 

Not the best photo, but does show the 1-piece door on an F-100C

 

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-405th-fdg-f-100c-55-2768-57781769.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=9167131D-0ADA-411A-9885-2BF07DE617FE&p=183124&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3d100c%26qt_raw%3d100c%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d0%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d

 

I think this might be an F-100C main door.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=F-100C+landing+gear+doors&sa=X&tbm=isch&imgil=ZijjKhdeGq6J8M%3A%3BUJJI8n9EBc1j6M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.f-100.org%252Fhun034.shtml&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ZijjKhdeGq6J8M%3A%2CUJJI8n9EBc1j6M%2C_&usg=__88nan86D9SrRThTvkkOOk9yBMLo%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiPsbiNyMzSAhVI7CYKHdiaAZEQyjcIKg&ei=8O_CWI_5GMjYmwHYtYaICQ&biw=1280&bih=654#imgrc=ZijjKhdeGq6J8M

 

Best I could come up with- sorry!

Mike

[RidgeRunner]

Thanks Mike. These are both D-models. The first is wrongly captioned. I appreciate your efforts, though. 

 

Best regards,

 

Martin

[Finn]

Not to confuse matters any but here is a F-100A:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ece5565c29e9c92b_large

 

looks to have two doors, one hinged on the wing and the other on the strut to the main landing gear leg. If the A had 2 doors, as did the D/F, then why didn't the C?

 

Jari

[72modeler]

10 hours ago, 72modeler said:

I found a photo that shows the 2-piece main landing gear door fitted to F-100D's and F's- see link below.

 

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/awa01/101-200/awa178-F-100D/images_Ben_Brown/F-100D center main gear doors.jpg

 

Not the best photo, but does show the 1-piece door on an F-100C

 

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-405th-fdg-f-100c-55-2768-57781769.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=9167131D-0ADA-411A-9885-2BF07DE617FE&p=183124&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3d100c%26qt_raw%3d100c%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d0%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d

 

I think this might be an F-100C main door.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=F-100C+landing+gear+doors&sa=X&tbm=isch&imgil=ZijjKhdeGq6J8M%3A%3BUJJI8n9EBc1j6M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.f-100.org%252Fhun034.shtml&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ZijjKhdeGq6J8M%3A%2CUJJI8n9EBc1j6M%2C_&usg=__88nan86D9SrRThTvkkOOk9yBMLo%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiPsbiNyMzSAhVI7CYKHdiaAZEQyjcIKg&ei=8O_CWI_5GMjYmwHYtYaICQ&biw=1280&bih=654#imgrc=ZijjKhdeGq6J8M

 

Best I could come up with- sorry!

Mike

my mistake- it turns out the 1st photo was an F-100D-40! That's what I get for taking a photo caption at face value!

[RidgeRunner]

Thanks all.

 

Jari, are you sure that is an A-model?

 

Martin

[Ben Brown]

Hi All,

 

The top photo (one of mine! ) of 72modeler's post is an F-100D. The second one is an early D, and the third looks like an A or a C, because I don't see a break in the wing for the D's trailing edge flap. The F-100A, C, and early D all had the same single-piece inboard main gear doors that hung down vertically when opened. At some point (don't have the block # handy), they added the ability to carry a centerline store to the D. The inboard doors couldn't open all the way, because of the store, so they added a small, second door to the larger door, so the main gear tire would clear the door on retraction. Compare how far the doors are opened in this photo of a later F-100D with those in 72modeler's second F-100D photo. At the same time, the speed brake was modified with a wider cutout. All F-100Fs, except the F prototype, had the later type of inboard main gear doors and speed brake. I can't recall if any early Ds were retrofitted with the later-style door and speed brake. I'd have to check my notes. I think most, if not all, F-100Ds that went to the French AF still had the early gear doors. 

 

Going back to the original question, the Trumpeter F-100C inboard doors are the correct one-piece style, but they got the interior details of the doors wrong. They just molded the later D-style doors with the small doors closed. If that bothers you, you can always glue the doors closed. That would be a perfectly legitimate pose for an F-100. The inboard main gear doors doors, as well as the aft nose gear door, had to be manually opened, which was often done for for maintenance. They didn't start to droop under their own weight, as hydraulic pressure dropped, like you see on some aircraft. 

 

HTH.

 

Ben (the F-100 nut)

Edited March 12, 2017 by Ben Brown

[RidgeRunner]

A fantastic and comprehensive post, Ben. Thank you. You clearly know your stuff.

 

Martin

[Finn]

7 hours ago, RidgeRunner said:

Thanks all.

 

Jari, are you sure that is an A-model?

 

Martin

 

The pilot is Scott Crossfield who later flew the X-15, more pics here:

 

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/0d690a25968398d1.html

 

click on the pic to get a larger image and you can make out that it is a F-100A.

 

Jari

[72modeler]

11 hours ago, Ben Brown said:

Hi All,

 

The top photo (one of mine! ) of 72modeler's post is an F-100D. The second one is an early D, and the third looks like an A or a C, because I don't see a break in the wing for the D's trailing edge flap. The F-100A, C, and early D all had the same single-piece inboard main gear doors that hung down vertically when opened. At some point (don't have the block # handy), they added the ability to carry a centerline store to the D. The inboard doors couldn't open all the way, because of the store, so they added a small, second door to the larger door, so the main gear tire would clear the door on retraction. Compare how far the doors are opened in this photo of a later F-100D with those in 72modeler's second F-100D photo. At the same time, the speed brake was modified with a wider cutout. All F-100Fs, except the F prototype, had the later type of inboard main gear doors and speed brake. I can't recall if any early Ds were retrofitted with the later-style door and speed brake. I'd have to check my notes. I think most, if not all, F-100Ds that went to the French AF still had the early gear doors. 

 

Going back to the original question, the Trumpeter F-100C inboard doors are the correct one-piece style, but they got the interior details of the doors wrong. They just molded the later D-style doors with the small doors closed. If that bothers you, you can always glue the doors closed. That would be a perfectly legitimate pose for an F-100. The inboard main gear doors doors, as well as the aft nose gear door, had to be manually opened, which was often done for for maintenance. They didn't start to droop under their own weight, as hydraulic pressure dropped, like you see on some aircraft. 

 

HTH.

 

Ben (the F-100 nut)

Thank you Ben, for the explanation! I knew the speedbrake had the larger cutout to clear the centerline store, but did not know why the inner bay doors were changed from one-piece to two-piece; your explanation clears it all up! My Dad was the wing adjutant for the 354th FIW when Myrtle Beach AB opened; IIRC, they were equipped with brand-new F-100C's direct from the factory. Our C.O. was Gabby Gabreski, the WW2 and Korean War ace!  I got to go to the Poinsett gunnery range to watch them beat up targets...those 20mm cannon do not sound ANYTHING like they do in the movies! Scared the c--- out of me, and I was in the observation tower!

Mike

[Ben Brown]

Hi All,

 

I'm happy to help!

 

Mike, I used to fly into Myrtle Beach pretty often and spent some time walking around the closed Air Force base. It was sad to see the base turned into a ghost town. They had several gate guard aircraft still on the property. Hopefully, they all went to a good home. 

 

Ben