neillbill Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The devil tempted me and I got an Revell MV22 with the intent of doing it in a UK color scheme and markings. Either going to be in RN scheme assigned to one of the new carriers or an RAF one. Anyone got any thoughts on which units might be Osprey operators and what the color/markings scheme might be? Thanks Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 It would have to be one of the transport squadrons, a heavy helicopter (Chinook or Puma) squadron, or some special Flight on SAS/Royal Marines detatchment I imagine. I can't help with sqn numbers, but the camo would surely reflect branch of service and operating area, as is modern practice. Would a 22 even fit on the deck of the new carriers? Or under it, for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon382 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 This may not be a WHIF much longer. The latest info is that, along with US Marine F35s, the MV22 will be operating from the UK carrier until the UK forces are up to strength. It infers that the RN/RAF may well evaluate it at the same time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 17 hours ago, billneill said: The devil tempted me and I got an Revell MV22 with the intent of doing it in a UK color scheme and markings. Either going to be in RN scheme assigned to one of the new carriers or an RAF one. Anyone got any thoughts on which units might be Osprey operators and what the color/markings scheme might be? Thanks Bill 18 Squadron seems a natural choice, though it's hard to imagine them parting ways with the Chinook any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Naaaah... it has got to be a yellow RAF SAR bird. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrierpilot Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) A report I read stated IF the RAF had the C-22 it would be No.7 Squadron operating them with the SAS/SBS operations in mind. Edited March 10, 2017 by Harrierpilot spelling mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtd350 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Junglie Osprey...........Junglie winterized Osprey for the RM 22/202 sqn SAR certainly different. Maybe do a whif anniversery scheme for one of the Heli sqns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 771 NAS - Medium Sea Grey with Signal Red nose, engine nacelles and tail surfaces - maybe a credible VERTREP (VERTical REPlenishment) or COD (Carrier On-board Delivery) platform for the new carriers and 771 did operate in the SAR/Utility role before it retired its Sea Kings. Edited March 10, 2017 by Richard E 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairystick Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 On 3/10/2017 at 3:00 AM, Rob G said: Would a 22 even fit on the deck of the new carriers? Or under it, for that matter? Yes, quite easily. The only issue would be the deck heating from the engine pods when they are vertical, but the carrier's deck coating should alleviate that problem. A -22 would be superb for the QE Carriers, with hose-drogue units for air to air refuelling, COD and SAR among a whole list of jobs that could get thrown at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vultures1 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 16 hours ago, Harrierpilot said: A report I read stated IF the RAF had the C-22 it would be No.7 Squadron operating them with the SAS/SBS operations in mind. I agree with Harrierpilot. Osprey Mk1 would make sense for 7 Sqn for rapid insertion. Sadly, no more yellow SAR birds for the RAF ... but a stripey Junglie Osprey would look good too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It's the Navy fellas ...there's been talk ....if it happens but yes quite ideal ...mind you if was a cats and traps blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Ah but what squadron....hmm 772 traditional HDS and SAR. Best squadron ever....think I've said that before on here :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 In today's incredibly cash-strapped armed forces Osprey would have to offer a very valuable new capability. This rules out SAR, which the UK has decided doesn't even need to be done by the armed forces. So no yellow or grey and red Ospreys. I could see a niche for CSAR, a capability I understand we once decided to acquire with some specialised Chinooks but have since decided to rely on the Americans for (rethink in the Trump era, maybe?), in which I'd go along with 7 or 18 Sqs. Oh, and the RAF might graciously condescend to allow the Navy a couple for COD duties as long as they didn't have the impertinence to paint ROYAL NAVY on them. Attached to 849 Sq like the COD Gannets, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Seahawk said: Attached to 849 Sq like the COD Gannets, maybe? I wonder how difficult it would be to attach a Crows Nest Radar (the replacement for the 849 NAS Sea King ASaC 7s) to an Osprey instead of a Merlin ? Edited March 11, 2017 by Richard E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wafu Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 4 hours ago, junglierating said: Ah but what squadron....hmm 772 traditional HDS and SAR. Best squadron ever....think I've said that before on here :-) I'll second that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Richard E said: I wonder how difficult it would be to attach a Crows Nest Radar (the replacement for the 849 NAS Sea King ASaC 7s) to an Osprey instead of a Merlin ? Extremely difficult contracts money time etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 hours ago, junglierating said: Extremely difficult contracts money time etc No doubt expensive from a bureaucratic standpoint. However, I imagine it could be done similar to this: http://www.helicopassion.com/fr/01/dax06-04.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dambuster Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Hmm, the problem with attaching any radar system to the Osprey is that it would have to hang very low under the fuselage to prevent the prop blades interfering with the radar scan... Or alternatively, very high above the fuselage for the same reason. Obvious solution therefore would be the nose/tail configuration used on the AEW Nimrod, thereby ncreasing weight and complexity. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_B Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 The Osprey is on the would like list of new hardware but not until Carrier Strike is operational with both the QE class carriers and the two front line F-35B squadrons. The RN and RAF will be watching how the USMC utilise theirs when they deploy their F-35B unit to join with us on the HMS Queen Elizabeth deployment, COD is a key one as is the proposed Tanker configuration the USMC are developing as both are force enhancers for the F-35B carrier capability. I suspect Crowsnest would also be considered at a later date if the platform is suitable, the hardware is modular and I suspect the USMC will be looking at it whilst we look at the Osprey. I suspect it would be considered an RN orientated hardware, as the RAF & SAS would be looking at the USAF CSAR examples already based over here and have been tested out from what I recall. The bad news is that whilst we are interested it would not be on the 2020 SDSR radar as they will be focused on the F-35B the and getting the new Type 31 frigates going and possibly more P-8s , plus it will be the early 2020's when they are due check out the USMC usage on QE so that puts it to the 2025 SDSR at the earliest for any viable order !. An international incident in the early 2020's might point an Urgent Operational Requirement if deemed a must have needed ASAP but that's unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britman Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 The Italians have a CSAR Merlin don't they? Job done, fits in with the fleet. I suppose it is not so simple, but it would be quicker and probably cheaper to go down that path than purchase and adapt Osprey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Don't think we got the money for the Osprey, unfortunately. As for CSAR, about 1995 there was a line of thought that the RAF would build this as a secondary task for the SAR Sea Kings, but that obviously died a death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, PLC1966 said: Don't think we got the money for the Osprey, unfortunately. There is a very big list of things that defence is lacking, and the Osprey is not on that list as far as I can see, As for CSAR, about 1995 there was a line of thought that the RAF would build this as a secondary task for the SAR Sea Kings, but that obviously died a death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 14 hours ago, hairystick said: Yes, quite easily. The only issue would be the deck heating from the engine pods when they are vertical, but the carrier's deck coating should alleviate that problem. Does it really produce more heat than an F-35 vectored? Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairystick Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 On 3/11/2017 at 0:29 PM, dambuster said: Hmm, the problem with attaching any radar system to the Osprey is that it would have to hang very low under the fuselage to prevent the prop blades interfering with the radar scan... Or alternatively, very high above the fuselage for the same reason. The proposed fit was hanging out from the ramp at the rear to suit crowsnest. On 3/11/2017 at 2:19 PM, Duncan B said: Does it really produce more heat than an F-35 vectored? I'd have to go searching for the comparisons, so I'll talk out of my behind and make a fool of myself by saying "comparable". The America class can operate both V-22 and Mr Blobby. The thing is that Osprey will have to sit with engines running and pointing at the deck, whereas Blobby will vector heat onto the deck for shorter spans of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Geoff....you say crowsnest is modular... I can assure you that modular from a maintainers point of view isn't normally quick! These modular jobs can some times take several weeks and you have to get them working. Given the money already spent on crowsnest I dont think using an other airframe is on the cards anytime soon .As for CSAR Got to get the Mk4 fleet in service first. Fancy stuff is fab but it cost money to support and trial it never mind actually buying the platform. Nice ideas though anything is possible Edited March 12, 2017 by junglierating 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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