Piero Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Hello, I'm looking for information on the Belgian Mirage 5BA during the 80's. In the specific what kind of weapon load could carry, in addition to the two huge 1700L fuel tanks. I found some pics of Mirage 5BA with LAU rocket pod under the external wing pylons, but nothing else. During the Desert Storm some of the 5BA were deployed in Turkey carrying 2 AIM-9J Sidewinder. I saw a picture of a Mirage 5BA in a museum surrounded by different bomb loads like Snakeye bombs, BL755 cluster … Also I'm looking for some good photos of the Mirage 5BA nose, especially the lower part. Thanks in advance. CIAO! Piero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Hardly any photos out there it seems BL755 cluster bombs wad a very common load out for nearly every Nato member .. Edited March 7, 2017 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 There's /was a Verlinden Lock On on the 5BA (ca. 1988), but from what I've seen on Abe, lock on's are worth their weight in gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary West Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 For day to day use, you have mainly 3 options - empty pylon, rocket pod or dummy AIM 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 in french, but at least something! http://www.whitebison.be/cela-s’est-passé-chez-nous.aspx?PageContentID=59 "Nos armements réels consistaient en des bombes Mk 82 Snakeye et BL 755 Cluster, sans compter nos deux canons de 30 mm. " our real armarment consisted if Mk-82 Snakeeye and Bl755 clsuter bombs, and the 2 30 mm cannons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Hi I could not agree with you more, Tempestfan, and my first tought when I had read Piero's post was to direct him to this publication. However, while in this Lock On there is plenty of images of practicaly every individual rivet of Mirages 5BA, there is hardly a word (or a photo) of aircraft's armament. What a pity! Cheers Jure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, tempestfan said: There's /was a Verlinden Lock On on the 5BA (ca. 1988), but from what I've seen on Abe, lock on's are worth their weight in gold. good point! as I have it , I just quickly went though it not much more than we already have here... more fuel tank options,500l, 1300l and interestingly the Israeli jettisonable 500l finned wingtanks as well!, Aim-9P Sidewinders, practice bomb dispensers Lau32B/A 6 shot rocket pod, center line pylon.... travel pod https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c1/b0/85/c1b08584a60726fcc9cfe4c4ef984ab9.jpg http://www.airliners.net/photo/Belgium-Air-Force/Dassault-(SABCA)-Mirage-5BA/1463272 http://www.jetzone.de/museum/bruessel/index_02_e.html BL755, Aim-9B http://www.pictaero.com/fr/pictures/picture,2365 Edited March 7, 2017 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 That two seater is a mighty fine looking beast! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hello, many thanks for your kindly answer! The Lock On Mirage 5 volume is on my work table as a bibble! But the picturs and the links you provide me are great reference too!!! At this point I think I'll go for a 5BA with a training AIM-9 round hanging under the wing pylon. Maybe a couple of Mk.82 Snakeye drills in tandem under the centrline pylon?... CIAO! Piero 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 back in my days in florennes and as far as my sqn (2 sqn) was concerned. Daily configuration was 2 1700 lts/ israeli supersonic tanks and CES-3 (pylon adapters), nothing on the centerline. AG practise or campaign: drop tanks, centerline pylon (PM-3) loaded with one tortue (small bombs carrier) and oinertne lièvre (localy designed small bombs carrier) loaded with 2 BDU-33 and 2 MK-106 under the wings, outer station: one lau-32 (7 shots rockets launcher) with one RX per pod. AAM: drop tanks and one AIM-9 J or P can't remenber anymore. Taceval: 2x1700 Ltrs drop tanks and one PM-3 loaded with 2 MK-82 snakeye or 2 parachute retarded matra bombs ou 2 Mk-117(I think, the fins were from WWII vintage) or 2 BL-755. and the two rocket launchers. Take note however that the aircraft were loaded and then unloaded, they never flew fully armed., Sometimes 1 practise MK-82 inert snakeye, I also loaded french manifactured napalm bombs (once or twice only) The loading configurations were different in our sister sqn (42 sqn) and in Bierset. Hope that helps, Beppe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 On 3/8/2017 at 11:05 AM, Piero said: Hello, many thanks for your kindly answer! The Lock On Mirage 5 volume is on my work table as a bibble! But the picturs and the links you provide me are great reference too!!! At this point I think I'll go for a 5BA with a training AIM-9 round hanging under the wing pylon. Maybe a couple of Mk.82 Snakeye drills in tandem under the centrline pylon?... CIAO! Piero Hi Piero, mirage sqns were mainly mud movers, AIM-9 were seldom loaded except during DACT campaign in Corsica, and only one per aircraft, there wasn't enough winder, and we used to swap them all the time. As far as inert MK-82, we, in Florennes loaded only one in the front station of the PM-3 except for static displays. During Taceval or station readyness exercises, we used to load the real stull, only ammo and ordonance were life ones. Hope that's help Beppe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Hi Beppe, many thanks, you gave a lot of good information!!! An inert Mk.82 under the front station of the centreline pylon and an AIM-9P drill under the external pylon of the starboard wing seems a nice load. Plus two huge 1700lt fuel tanks, of course. CIAO! Piero P.S.: ... AIM-9P or AIM-9B? The pic of the 5BA in the museum show an AIM-9B drill... but the 5BA deployed in Turkey were loaded with AIM-9P.... correct? Edited March 10, 2017 by Piero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 hours ago, beppe said: Hi Piero, mirage sqns were mainly mud movers, AIM-9 were seldom loaded except during DACT campaign in Corsica, and only one per aircraft, there wasn't enough winder, and we used to swap them all the time. As far as inert MK-82, we, in Florennes loaded only one in the front station of the PM-3 except for static displays. During Taceval or station readyness exercises, we used to load the real stull, only ammo and ordonance were life ones. Hope that's help Beppe wow, thanks, great information, directly form the ones who were there!! would the inert MK-82 be in any special color? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 56 minutes ago, exdraken said: wow, thanks, great information, directly form the ones who were there!! would the inert MK-82 be in any special color? Blue, most likely - with a side of rust. This is typical: https://www.flickr.com/photos/81567686@N00/8723299749 Cheers, Andre Edited March 10, 2017 by Hook link to pic added 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 4 hours ago, exdraken said: wow, thanks, great information, directly form the ones who were there!! would the inert MK-82 be in any special color? body was bleue , fin green, retaining band for the fin was silver. I don't remember any band on the nose, but it's now nearly 30 years, and the memory is fading. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Piero said: Hi Beppe, many thanks, you gave a lot of good information!!! An inert Mk.82 under the front station of the centreline pylon and an AIM-9P drill under the external pylon of the starboard wing seems a nice load. Plus two huge 1700lt fuel tanks, of course. CIAO! Piero P.S.: ... AIM-9P or AIM-9B? The pic of the 5BA in the museum show an AIM-9B drill... but the 5BA deployed in Turkey were loaded with AIM-9P.... correct? I think they were P or J heads, actually we had to lend them from others sqn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I think they were P or J heads, actually we had to lend them from others sqn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Here for your viewing pleasure Piero .I took these pics in 1982 Bierset AB Edited March 11, 2017 by Glidingbob 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Here for your viewing pleasure Piero .I took these pics in 1982 Bierset AB Supersonic tanks Edited March 11, 2017 by Glidingbob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Edited March 11, 2017 by Glidingbob fin supersonic tank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 BL 755 Travel pod 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Rocket pod ( 2sqn Florennes ) Edited March 11, 2017 by Glidingbob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Weapons carrier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) MK 117 (? Beppe , you confirm?) On all these B/W pictures the color is olive drab except the rockets (blue) and BL755 I think a bright green (not sure) or blue Edited March 11, 2017 by Glidingbob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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