drake122 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Greetings, I was wondering if anyone can help me out with a slight decal problem for a Su-33... On the picture below, just aft of the boarding ladder, there is some sort of whale (?) painted above the tiny red stars. I am working on a Su-33 model right now and would love to represent it as a "veteran" of Syrian sorties - particularly bort n. red 84 and 85 have a lot of stars - but I cannot find a decal sheet in 1/72nd with a usable black-white whale (or whatever that thing is) in it... I was even thinking of brush painting it myself, but the shape is rather complex.. Any advice is much appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I can't help with the markings - but it is fascinating to compare the relative heights of the pilots - particularly the two guys immediately below the St Andrews flag on bort 78. The guy at the front is very short - while the guy behind is very tall - at least a head taller. There's an even shorter pilot in the second row - below the ladder - poor guy can't even see to the front! And the K-36 ejection seat has to cater for all of them !! Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley John Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 That's got to be some of the most overweight aircrew in history! And oldest! Can't help with the decals either but would it be a killer whale? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Harley John said: That's got to be some of the most overweight aircrew in history! They are most likely wearing anti-exposure flight suits, which make anybody look like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Regards, Murph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony.t Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 There is a killer whale on the Begemot Foxhound sheet, which can be cut and reposed... https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BT7246 Frankly, I'd be surprised if Begemot didn't do a newer sheet with the latest mission markings sometime soon. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertone139 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Is that white sand or snow they are standing in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Hello, Robertone 139 I think this photo had been taken on Severomorsk 3 airfield near Murmansk. I would not expect to find much of white sand there, certainly not in early February. Cheers Jure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotey Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Begemot havn't clear photo of Su-33s yet, which returned back from Syria too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 Some pictures can be seen here: http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4131-reestr-su-33-a-39/ Red 84 have most markings, 8 stars, Red 85 has 5 Red 77 and 78 have 4 each. A fellow modeller on another forum already created the whale drawing on PC, so I am hopeful I will be able to print it myself soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Hello, drake122 You probably know all about the following, still ... check photos on this link: http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/153916.html You probably noticed that not all Su-33 have whale ornament or mission markings, so you can still build a combat veteran Su-33 with decals available. You can always draw orca decal on your computer and print it at home, but you will need a lot of patience to cut mask for a white background necessary. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley John Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Murph said: They are most likely wearing anti-exposure flight suits, which make anybody look like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Regards, Murph I was crediting some of them with a few extra kilos due to the exposure suits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 20 minutes ago, Jure Miljevic said: Hello, drake122 You probably know all about the following, still ... check photos on this link: http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/153916.html You probably noticed that not all Su-33 have whale ornament or mission markings, so you can still build a combat veteran Su-33 with decals available. You can always draw orca decal on your computer and print it at home, but you will need a lot of patience to cut mask for a white background necessary. Cheers Jure Thanks, very nice pictures! I was thinking of printing on white decal paper (using a black and white laser printer), then brushing over with clear gloss to seal it, and finally carefully cutting around the edges to get the decal out. If I happen to damage it, I can just use gloss black or gloss white color to correct it on the model. Well, that's my theory for now anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Well, I work with inkjet printer but your description of making laser printed decals does not sound that much different, certainly not when it comes to black and white drawing. Good luck with cutting decals and I hope I will see your Su-33 kit in RFI section soon. Cheers Jure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Anyone notice how they seem to be looking anywhere but forwards? I can just imagine an archetypal Station Warrant Officer seeing this motley line up and doing his nut. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Yes, T7 Models, but they seem to be at ease and not eyes front. Also, I do not think Russia has NCO pilots so I imagine proverbial Warrant Officer would probably react in somewhat watered down fashion. However, if one of top brasses present would bother to subject them to a square bashing drill, that would make quite an entertaining show, as those orange survival suits would stand out nicely from a white background. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Jure Miljevic said: Yes, T7 Models, but they seem to be at ease and not eyes front. Also, I do not think Russia has NCO pilots so I imagine proverbial Warrant Officer would probably react in somewhat watered down fashion. However, if one of top brasses present would bother to subject them to a square bashing drill, that would make quite an entertaining show, as those orange survival suits would stand out nicely from a white background. Cheers Jure Oh, you reckon? The SWO would be no less ruthless, but out of deference to rank he would prefix the officer's name with 'Mister...' and add 'Sir' at the end of it! I believe one SWO tore a strip off the King of Jordan when he was an officer cadet at Cranwell, describing him as the laziest monarch who had ever graced his parade ground. SWOs, along with their Chief Petty Officer and Regimental Sergeant-Major brethren, are feared by officers and other ranks alike, and many a junior officer has accidentally added 'sir' at the end of a sentence when speaking to one. I guess it must be different in the Russian Navy, but standing at ease in the UK forces means eyes front at all times. When ordered to stand easy you may relax -not a lot, but a little. But yes, watching them march in immersion suits WOULD be quite entertaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I have no deep knowledge about how things are done in Russia, but back during my time in JLA this command allowed us to stand in a more relaxed manner, take a glance to your left and right and perhaps exchange a quiet word with a soldier next to you. Judging by the photo, I assumed at ease has more or less the same meaning in the Russian Navy. During my year of Yugoslav equivalent of UK National Service I certainly learned that higher rank does not necessarily command obedience or respect. Our battery had been under nominal command of Lieutenant, who finished Military Academy only a year earlier. In reality, experience outweighted rank and he had been the third in a pecking order, after Ensign First Class on the top and Senior Sergeant one notch below. That seemed to be a natural order and I am sure with a passing of time our former CO regained power and respect befitting his rank. Back then, however, hardly anyone took him seriously. Yet I had never seen or heard anybody questioning, opposing or refusing to carry out direct order of superiors, at least not openly. ˝I understand, comrade (add rank here)!˝ was an universal subordinate's answer. Whether an order had been actually carried out, was another matter. Cheers Jure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy da fish Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I think you'll find that at least in RAF the SWO has no jurisdiction on the flight line, as seen in these pictures of Su-33's. He asks if he may come onto the flight line, I have been asked by a few over the years, if they may have look around I would normally ask an SAC to escort such an important person, so the he would not get into trouble being run over by an aircraft. By the way a CPO in the navy is approximately staff Sgt or WO 2 in The Army or a Chief Tech in RAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 On 27/02/2017 at 1:27 PM, T7 Models said: I believe one SWO tore a strip off the King of Jordan when he was an officer cadet at Cranwell, describing him as the laziest monarch who had ever graced his parade ground The story goes that it was at Sandhurst and the SWO was one WO Britten - the senior WO in the British army. Addressing King Hussein, he is supposed to have said "I will call you 'Sir' - and you will call me 'Sir' - but you will mean it"!! Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 On 26.02.2017 at 0:30 PM, Flankerman said: I can't help with the markings - but it is fascinating to compare the relative heights of the pilots - particularly the two guys immediately below the St Andrews flag on bort 78. The guy at the front is very short - while the guy behind is very tall - at least a head taller. There's an even shorter pilot in the second row - below the ladder - poor guy can't even see to the front! And the K-36 ejection seat has to cater for all of them !! Ken According to technical characteristics of K-36 of DM provides accommodation of the pilot with growth "sitting" 820-980 millimeters and stepless regulation of a seat on growth of the pilot (including in flight). New modifications of a chair provide as well regulation of a tilt angle of a back of a chair. 980-820=160 millimeters in a difference of growth of pilots. B.R. Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) del Edited March 5, 2017 by Aardvark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNoAF Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I must say. The russian pilots look like chubby guys. Not like the pilots in the Top gun movie................. :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) On 26.02.2017 at 6:38 PM, Robertone139 said: Is that white sand or snow they are standing in? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFJ62vlZbls 😆 On 26.02.2017 at 3:54 PM, Murph said: They are most likely wearing anti-exposure flight suits, which make anybody look like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Regards, Murph Barents Sea warm, salty Atlantic water temperature >3 °C, from the North Atlantic drift, cold Arctic water temperature <0 °C, from the north, and warm, but not very salty coastal water temperature >3 °C, salinity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barents_Sea At water temperature from 0 to 3 degrees Celsius at most how many it is possible to live in it without special suit it to half of hour if strongly lucky, and in principle minutes 15. Get into this situation someone from unsubscribed in a topic, he would pray on a saving set of "MSK-5" http://dynaforce.ru/catalog/military_outfit/morskoj_spasatelnyj_komplekt_msk_5_/ allowing to survive afloat at T of water of 0 °C, nervousness of the sea to 5 points and T of air to -15 °C - not less than 12 hours! 3 hours ago, RNoAF said: I must say. The russian pilots look like chubby guys. Not like the pilots in the Top gun movie................. :-) The high overloads tested in flight lead use of anti-overload suits to many problems including in work of cardiovascular system that in turn creates prerequisites to the excess weight of a body. It is also necessary to note that these people bear military service in the conditions of negative air temperatures around a polar circle. In such conditions any organism begins to accumulate fatty inventories in order that it is better to transfer negative temperatures. It is well visible on indigenous people zhiaushchy in the north, a the Kayak, the Eskimos, Nenets, the Yakuts and so on. Besides, apparently on pictures, the age of pilots is strongly more senior than 30 years, and in my opinion after 30 years health in an organism already begins to begin to decline. And real life very strongly differs from the movie that Hollywood maked. B.R. Serge Edited March 7, 2017 by Aardvark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Centurion Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 On 3/7/2017 at 5:06 AM, Aardvark said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFJ62vlZbls 😆 Barents Sea warm, salty Atlantic water temperature >3 °C, from the North Atlantic drift, cold Arctic water temperature <0 °C, from the north, and warm, but not very salty coastal water temperature >3 °C, salinity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barents_Sea At water temperature from 0 to 3 degrees Celsius at most how many it is possible to live in it without special suit it to half of hour if strongly lucky, and in principle minutes 15. Get into this situation someone from unsubscribed in a topic, he would pray on a saving set of "MSK-5" http://dynaforce.ru/catalog/military_outfit/morskoj_spasatelnyj_komplekt_msk_5_/ allowing to survive afloat at T of water of 0 °C, nervousness of the sea to 5 points and T of air to -15 °C - not less than 12 hours! The high overloads tested in flight lead use of anti-overload suits to many problems including in work of cardiovascular system that in turn creates prerequisites to the excess weight of a body. It is also necessary to note that these people bear military service in the conditions of negative air temperatures around a polar circle. In such conditions any organism begins to accumulate fatty inventories in order that it is better to transfer negative temperatures. It is well visible on indigenous people zhiaushchy in the north, a the Kayak, the Eskimos, Nenets, the Yakuts and so on. Besides, apparently on pictures, the age of pilots is strongly more senior than 30 years, and in my opinion after 30 years health in an organism already begins to begin to decline. And real life very strongly differs from the movie that Hollywood maked. B.R. Serge You Sir have got to be joking. I have NEVER heard such a crock in my life. So, you're saying they keep much body fat so they are like a walrus or seal? It is obvious that their body mass index displays a lack of stringent cardiovascular routine which is NEEDED to survive high G flight. No wonder they lost two (2) aircraft to the drink. Now, if this is merely a joker wanting to get a laugh...well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Well, this went quite off topic now didn't it. Anyway, I already have some custom made decals for this, thanks to a fellow modeler. Once the model is finished I will post some pictures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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