allyby Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I just wondered if anyone has ever strayed from the norm and done their own thing as a camouflage scheme, well that's not strictly true in this case as the pattern did exist! I have a Me Bf 109E-4 1/24 scale from Airfix, (A50176) Now the thing is I would like to paint it in a different camo scheme, but just using the decals provided or even getting a set of Romanian decals to add to it. Now is this frowned upon or totally acceptable in the model community? This is what I'm thinking of doing but I cant get a hold of the proper decals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 It's your model, and yes, if that is what you want to do to it then go ahead. I think it looks quite good. If you scroll down the forum to the commercial bit you will find Paul Parkes. He can print your decals (he's done some for me in the past). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 It's a hobby, and how you wish to paint is your choice. In fact, there have been group builds of what if projects with all kinds of non-existent schemes - so it is popular among some of the members. Just be sure when you present your finished piece to mention the fiction aspect, otherwise some might try to correct you. regards, Jack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Not a scheme I'd run across before, but apparently very well documented, well the port side... see https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG77-Balkans.html it's not very non-standard, the wing splinter pattern looks factory, the most unusual feature is the multiple unit badges. The top image has drawings of the badges and name, and if you have a graphics program and printer, you could print these on white decal film,same the numbers. There are a bewildering amount of possible schemes for the Bf109, very little need to make any up! HTH T 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyby Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) Thanks for that, I also found this as well so I'll get in touch with Paul Parkes to see if he'll make these decals for me. Edited February 25, 2017 by allyby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Have you checked that these aren't already available from the likes of Eaglecals? It's such a well known scheme I'd be surprised if it wasn't available. Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkeEins Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Kagero "Top Drawings" had this one on the sheet that came with the booklet and Owl decals (IIRC) did it as a stand-alone (32nd) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Ah, maybe it's from the Kagero book I'm remembering seeing the decals for Lilo. Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelh Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 In relation to your original question, yes people stray all the time often in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Besides with Luftwaffe camoflage replicating it is well nigh impossible as a lot of it was frestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifer54 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Didn't Fine Molds release a Bf109E in a scheme like this, with most of the colour scheme as decals? . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawzer Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 On another forum which shall remain nameless I accidentally did a bf109g with an e scheme and f markings. on the whole people liked it but there were 1 or 2 who commented that if you're going to do it, do it right. my view - you paid for the kit so go for it! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyby Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 25/02/2017 at 18:56, Troy Smith said: Not a scheme I'd run across before, but apparently very well documented, well the port side... see https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG77-Balkans.html it's not very non-standard, the wing splinter pattern looks factory, the most unusual feature is the multiple unit badges. The top image has drawings of the badges and name, and if you have a graphics program and printer, you could print these on white decal film,same the numbers. There are a bewildering amount of possible schemes for the Bf109, very little need to make any up! HTH T Just found the starboard side as well, I think it's going to be this one if I can get the decals printed. https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG77-Balkans/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7-III.JG77-Black-10-Hubert-Mutherich-Semlin-airfield-Yugoslavia-May-1941-0A.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 25/02/2017 at 6:16 PM, allyby said: I just wondered if anyone has ever strayed from the norm and done their own thing as a camouflage scheme, well that's not strictly true in this case as the pattern did exist! Now is this frowned upon or totally acceptable in the model community? On 25/02/2017 at 6:50 PM, JackG said: Just be sure when you present your finished piece to mention the fiction aspect, otherwise some might try to correct you. As has been said, it's your model and you paint it as you wish. If anyone tries to tell you otherwise, or rants that you have it all wrong, tell them where to stick it. And if you had a totally accurate model, with photographic and documentary evidence to back it up, you'd still get some muppet pointing out its inaccuracies. I recently had somebody in the shop pointing out the Airfix 1/48 tropical Hurricane and telling me that Airfix had it all wrong as it should have had a 40mm cannon under each wing. Wouldn't be told it was a Mk.I and not a Mk.IID but there you go... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I had one guy at a show tell me my Klingon Bird of Prey was the wrong scheme and colours after looking at him for a few minutes in disbelief I pointed out that when we chased the Federation out of the Mutara nebula we were not bothered about the colours of our ships Take no notice of anyone its your model its your hobby you do it for fun and enjoyment not to please anyone else 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) Hi, Panzer Vor!!! and all, A Stroke For Historical Accuracy. This is an age old discussion. Personally, I am a historian, so I would shun purposely making any "historical inaccuracy" in a model of mine, and would happily (and "matter-of-factly") point it out on someone else's. I see the main purpose of our hobby as reproducing in scale models of historical or existing objects to the highest possible degree of accuracy given the information and materials available, and the skill of the builder. Others may have a different view. Even in the case of a Klingon Bird of Prey (or the figure of Theòden King of the Rohirrim riding to battle) there is a "prototype" upon which a "model" can be jugded as "more or less accurate". You can argue about it being "real" (even from a philosophical point of view... if it "exists" in a movie, is it "real"?) But if you are modelling "a spaceship out of such and such movie", you indeed have a "prototype to model", most probably better documented than many WWII individual airframes! Should you consider "hypothetic" the model of a spaceship out of a movie because it doesn't look like the one in the movie? Or the "hypothetic" cathegory covers them all (those models following exactly the ones in the movie and those freely modified)? Often the technique of those making "inaccurate" (by this standards) models is extremely high and I certainly admire them, from that point of view. Many of the examples put forward by the esteemed readership are plainly inaccurate remarks, which emphasizes the absurdity of the situation. But try imagine a situation in which the observation is correct ("hey man, that Sea Hurricane was painted in TSS, not in TLS..."; or, as happened to me, "hey, that particular Macchi 202 was painted in "Macchi rings", not mottles; it is well documented in pictures..." -obviously the builder had tried to avoid the technical difficulty of painting them. He placed rather high in a contest with a thoroughly inaccurate model -yes, it was "thoroughly inaccurate" because it very obviously looked nothing like the object it claimed to represent- Welcome on board. Challenges accepted. Fair play a rule. Fernando Edited March 2, 2017 by Fernando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Hmm, Fernando, do you work for the fun police? I thought the purpose of modelling was to enjoy it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 You might want to look at the stuff Gekko does - he can be found here and at Gekkostudios in Adelide. This is pretty good too http://airlinebuzz.com/forums/showthread.php?51444-THE-CHICKEN-WORKS-The-Random-Collection/page3 Should all be in the What-if thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 The reason i do this hobby is for fun and to relax I find your post to be offensive and belittling how people model is down to them and not you If you came to the club with that attitude I would ask you to leave Make your models your way and leave other people to enjoy the hobby how they see fit In answer to the post by Fernando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Panzer Vor!!! said: The reason i do this hobby is for fun and to relax I find your post to be offensive and belittling how people model is down to them and not you If you came to the club with that attitude I would ask you to leave Make your models your way and leave other people to enjoy the hobby how they see fit Panzer _ I am a little confused if your post is aimed at me. for my comment immediately above yours. The discussion had moved on a bit to talk about spurious scheme and I was simply pointing out some expert "what-ifs". Totally agree about modelling being a fun hobby - says he with an F-14 in TSS underway at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 No its not aimed at you far from it and I apologise for the confusion Its a answer to the post by Fernando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Thanks for clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Nothing wrong or "not fun" in chasing accuracy. Where's the wonder and joy in being wrong? Given the amount of time and effort put into making a model, where does the problem come in doing just a little bit of research first? Fernando said that this was the way he did it, not that any other way was wrong. He isn't chasing anyone out of any club. Why are you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Decals for Black 10 are actually available. They come together with a set of Master barrels in Kagero Topdrawings 4: Messerschmitt Bf 109E: E-1/E-3/E-4/E-7 models. Look for this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyby Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 Only in 1/72, 1/48 and 1/32 scale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Oooopss!!! My mistake. I should read your post thoroughly. Edited March 3, 2017 by Cummulus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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