giemme Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 8 hours ago, limeypilot said: The international standard for nav lights is red and green. Sometimes an old green lens can look blue. I'm pretty sure that coloured bulbs are fairly recent, and that WWII era would have had clear bulbs with tinted plastic covers. I do stand to be corrected however! Ian Thanks Ian Confusing matter, as others have said; I have no wartime pictures to back up my choice, but this are from museum preserved C202 and C205 while this is from an Me109 They all show clear covers. Weather this is due to the restoration or it is the original configuration, I wouldn't know ... 8 hours ago, Winenut said: Looking great Giorgio. Love the work on the lights and also the tiny air intake. The process you are using (which I am keen to give a go) might actually be spelt "plunging" or "plunge" moulding. My neighbour has shown me how to do it when forming canopies for his radio Controlled scale aircraft. Keep up the beautiful detailed work Cheers Bruce Cheers Bruce, thanks Of course is "plunge", I just had a bit of a French diversion while typing which would be incorrect anyway, because I think it's actually "plonge" in French ... Definitely give it a go, anyway; I use and industrial hairdryer to heat the plastic film (and thermal gloves!! ). If you use APET/PETG or PS film, you can get very controllable results with just a bit of practice. Then you can upgrade to vacforming Later for a build update Ciao 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 Here's a quick update: wings glued in, which leaves us with a big gap on starboard wing root and a big step port side So I did some filling with CA+talc mix To have a proper wings to fuselage joint and preserve the dihedral, I had to scrape away quite some plastic from the wing roots; that left me with a gap, that I filled in with PPP and smoothed with a dump stiff brush Then I added the reinforcing plates, this time made from alu tape Using a round file and various grades of sandpaper, I fixed the wing roots The "seams" you see aren't actual seems, but polished CA. I removed the clear cover from starboard wingtip, painted clear green and put a new cover on It needs a bit of fairing in, but I'm pretty happy with it. No more update for at least a week now, because I'm off to a big exhibition (business stuff) in Milan from Friday till next Tuesday. Comments welcome Ciao 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 14 hours ago, giemme said: The only probem being that my kowledge about flight is down to a point where I need to think twice to have the ailerons deflected according to the control stick position (all to the left, in this case) So I will follow your educated advice and deflect starboard aileron a few degrees less than port one (which is probably just as good, because it should have a better fit, that way ) Oh heck........wish I'd never been a smart-a** and mentioned it (no good ever comes of having a smart-a** type sense of humour ) and I've now had to spend ages on google trying to see if Macchi did in fact used differential ailerons.........And not surprisingly its a level of detail to which the internet does not condescend..... The Spitfire (even I knew this) had Frise - type ailerons (one effect of which is said to be to counter adverse yaw when the lower leading edge of the 'up' aileron protrudes into the airflow below the wing and increases drag) The Hurricane it seems had differential ailerons (as did the Tiger Moth) - at least according to a random extract from a 'pilot's notes' that I found when I was googling. But the internet was deafeningly silent as to whether Italian manufactures had adopted the mechanism...... Still. On the plus side I s'pose that means it's really quite unlikely that anyone will be able to gainsay it.........doesn't it? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fritag said: Still. On the plus side I s'pose that means it's really quite unlikely that anyone will be able to gainsay it.........doesn't it? Definitely Looking for reliable info (and pics) on Internet about WWII Italian fighters can be very frustrating On top of that, a very small number of exemplars survived intact: if I recall properly, there are only three C205 to day, none of them in flying conditions. Moreover, all of them aren't original C205 but converted C202 (that happened in wartime); "dulcis in fundo" (look up for that, guys ), all the documentation and archives where binned in the '70s ... because they took up too much room, apparently BTW: if you look at the C202 pic I posted right before this update, you can see a very deflected aileron. I wouldn't take that as definitive for any of the options, though - God knows what the actual status of preservation of that airframe is ... Ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Very nice tidy up on that starboard wing root Giorgio Off to the expo in Milano hey....is that the big hospitality one this weekend? With all the time you spend modelling I didn't think you'd have time to work! Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Winenut said: Off to the expo in Milano hey....is that the big hospitality one this weekend? Precisely that one, the HOST I will have a customer from Oz visiting, BTW - Brisbane area 10 minutes ago, Winenut said: With all the time you spend modelling I didn't think you'd have time to work! It' s actually only a couple of hours at night (not every night) and a bit more during the WE - hence the very long time needed to complete a build Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom216 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Nice work getting those seams into line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Cheers Thom, thanks Ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 More great work going on G. I love the way you add new plunged parts like it's a breeze to do. I'm in awe. Johnny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Cheers Johnny But you should really try plunge moulding, it's really not difficult at all Ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Lovely controlled work fixing those wing roots Giorgio. Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 13 hours ago, TheBaron said: Lovely controlled work fixing those wing roots Giorgio. Tony Thanks Tony! "controlled" is the word: let the file do the job and don't press too hard (did I sweat?? Oh yes, I did! ) Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteo44 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Nice work Giorgio! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 Hi everybody; some progress at last, after a very busy week and a half. Top engine cowl glued in The fuselage edges around this cowl had to be filed down (both sides) because they were quite proud of it (I had the same issue with the C202). The bottom starboard wing root had to be filled in with PPP Then I glued the two oil radiators to the bottom engine cowl Some gaps there, which will need more PPP action Glued in place Then some riveting on the wing strengthening plates After gluing in both the cowlings, I did a quick dry fit test with the spinner The spinner cover was drilled out, just like I did on the C202, despite the fact that none of them was conceived to mount the central cannon The C205 had additional fuel tanks in the wing roots, so I added two thin styrene discs (cut from the usual yogurt cup ) and glued in with Tamiya Green Cap, to represent the tank caps Then I glued the ailerons in and used some alu tape strips to restore the aileron hinges Getting close to priming stage, now. I just need to rescribe a few panel lines on the wing leading edges, scratch build the antenna wire connection point on the rudder and sort the water radiator out (a couple of modifications still needed, there), mask the wheel wells and the wingtip lights Meanwhile, I added a styrene strip to enlarge the tail plane mounting tabs: An issue I had with the C202 is that, after rebuilding the coaming as a separate piece from the fuselage, very little contact point remained to glue in the tail planes. This way I hope to ensure a better fit and bond (needs to be trimmed, though) Comments welcome, as ever Ciao 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Nice update G, good progress & she's coming along quickly! Soon be another Italian beauty for us to admire! K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 Thanks K I feel a bit like I'm at a turning point of this build - sort of make it or brake it. The primer coat will tell if this has turned into a giant mess or what ... Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I think it'll be 'or what' to be honest! Can't see anything that would create any sort of mess, let alone a giant one...!! K 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 All looking good G. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom216 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Sweet job on that Italian beauty! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 So glad that Monday updates are back, it's looking great - looking forward to primer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 That's looking good Giorgio, especially the ailerons. I think the only way you could break it now is by dropping it then standing on it, my speciality is rolling my swivel chair over pieces I've dropped! Cheers John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow_Bill Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 These are really awesome builds! I've got the Hasegawa 205 in my stash. I feel I'll be referring to this thread a lot. Gaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Looking beautiful Giorgio Lovely work with the PPP but I'm worried that this four little stiffeners might not be strong enough to hold the wings on when you start whizzing her around after you finish her (I jest of course, for the benefit of those who may not have experienced my mistimed humour before) I really love all the little additional panel work and the wheel wells are simply astounding note to self: get aluminium tape and learn how to Giorgio with it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 11 hours ago, keefr22 said: I think it'll be 'or what' to be honest! Can't see anything that would create any sort of mess, let alone a giant one...!! K Not at present stage, but the smoke rings camo is a good candidate for that ... 10 hours ago, Spookytooth said: All looking good G. Simon. Cheers Simon, thanks I hope you're getting better. 10 hours ago, Thom216 said: Sweet job on that Italian beauty! Thanks T, glad you like her 6 hours ago, Cookenbacher said: So glad that Monday updates are back, it's looking great - looking forward to primer. Thanks Cookie, I'm kinda glad too Few more things to sort before primer, but tomorrow is bank holiday, so I should be able to make substantial progress 59 minutes ago, Biggles87 said: That's looking good Giorgio, especially the ailerons. I think the only way you could break it now is by dropping it then standing on it, my speciality is rolling my swivel chair over pieces I've dropped! Cheers John Alright, then I'll tell the whole story: I did drop the model twice, loosing both times starboard wingtip light cover - lots of cursing, I found it both times and put it back in place. Then, while sticking the aileron hinges on, I de-bonded port side one, so back to sanding/polishing the joint and gluing back I've been lucky with my swivel chair, though - so far, I mean .... 12 minutes ago, Bungalow_Bill said: These are really awesome builds! I've got the Hasegawa 205 in my stash. I feel I'll be referring to this thread a lot. Gaz CHerrs Gaz, thank you Glad if this can be of any help 6 minutes ago, perdu said: Looking beautiful Giorgio Lovely work with the PPP but I'm worried that this four little stiffeners might not be strong enough to hold the wings on when you start whizzing her around after you finish her (I jest of course, for the benefit of those who may not have experienced my mistimed humour before) I really love all the little additional panel work and the wheel wells are simply astounding note to self: get aluminium tape and learn how to Giorgio with it... Specific test flights have already been carried out, everything is holding up beautifully Thanks for the appreciation Bill - and yes, get that alu tape, it's definitely useful Ciao 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 Hi everybody; as mentioned earlier, before committing to priming the whole model, the water radiator needed to be sorted. The modifications concern the front internal flap and the back adjustable leap. For the former, I added two brackets by drilling 0.5mm holes in it and gluing in two segments of corresponding steel rod For the back side: a strengthening rod (not sure that this is the real function, but it looks like that to me ... ) needed to be added, so using a hammer, I flattened a length of cheap brass pipe (0.6mm diameter) Then, holding one end into a micro-drill, I tapered the edges with a Dremel sanding disc, cut to size and glued in place The above pic also shows the same treatment for the actuator brackets, which were then cut to size and superglued in place A quick (out of focus ) dry fit Here's a better shot from behind (hey guys! behave ... ) I eventually airbrushed some primer on all the parts, and some PPP action was required afterwards After tidying up, I airbrushed Lifecolor Grigio Azzurro Chiaro, brush painted a protective Future coat and glued the radiator in Black tempera wash and a make up brush to remove the unwanted excess Then I glued the front flap and the radiator cover in which leaves us with a good amount of fairing in to do: I had the same issue with the C202, although not that extensive ... Tail planes: using a razor saw, I separated the outer end of the elevators Things that remain to be done prior to priming: - fair in the water radiator cover - add the antenna wire connection point on the fin - mask wheel wells and water radiator inside Next WE should be good for priming Comments welcome, as ever Ciao 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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