Lussino Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Hi to all, Very soon I will start with new build of model HMS Duke of York battleship during battle of North Cape against DKM Scharnhorst. So presently I am still in doubt how is the ship paint camouflage pattern during that time. I will appreciate any suggestion or help to make correct painting of the model. Brgds, and thanks G.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 From what I can gather, the hull and steel decks were painted G10. The weatherworks / superstructure was painted G45. The wooden decks may have been overpainted with a shade similar to MS3, or G20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Although photos show HMS Duke of York was in a dark hull/light upperworks type scheme as late as 1st November 1943 http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205152661 photos of her arriving back at Scapa from the battle of the North Cape on 1st Jan 1944 seem to show a darker tone upperworks suggesting that she may have been in one overall colour when sinking the Scharnhorst: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186866 http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205153538 http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205153544 One can speculate that this was the medium grey ’emergency’ 50/50 mix of 507A and 507C and that she was therefore in the ‘Equivalent of Intermediate Type Designs’ scheme (see CB 3098R of May 43). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lussino Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hello, Many thanks guy's so now I know which color I need to mix to get correct painting. I waiting for release Trumpeter HMS Belfast in scale 1/700 and most probable I will build one diorama with 4 ships together at sea. HMS DOY, HMS Jamaica, HMS Belfast and HMS Sheffield. So I will appreciate If some one can me help also how is camouflage done on other three ships as well during Battle of North Cape. Will be nice if will be available somewhere Profile ot the ships. Brgds, and thanks a lot G.S Croatia Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundloop Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) According to Malcolm Wright's book at the time of North Cape the hull was painted 507a/G10 with the superstructure in MS2. Wooden decks were painted grey (possibly 507b) but the foredeck was a lighter shade of grey. Sorry to confuse the issue! Edited February 24, 2017 by Groundloop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 That rings alarm bells to me because repainting the upperworks a darker shade (as Richard above mentioned) must have happened in late 1943, half a year after MS2 was superceded. The time window is known because DOY was well photographed in late 1943 still with the light coloured upperworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundloop Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 "photos of her arriving back at Scapa from the battle of the North Cape on 1st Jan 1944 seem to show a darker tone upperworks suggesting that she may have been in one overall colour when sinking the Scharnhorst:" My impression of these images is that the upperworks are still lighter than the hull colour - the first photo was probably taken on a very dull day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lussino Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 Hi, Many thanks for help so if I understood well the right color will be for DOY 1943 December battle of North Cape Hull G10/507a , superstructure MS2 and wooden deck 507b Medium Grey. Brgds, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, Groundloop said: "photos of her arriving back at Scapa from the battle of the North Cape on 1st Jan 1944 seem to show a darker tone upperworks suggesting that she may have been in one overall colour when sinking the Scharnhorst:" My impression of these images is that the upperworks are still lighter than the hull colour - the first photo was probably taken on a very dull day. I can understand why you might think that however I hope we can nevertheless agree that, whatever the hull tone, the upperworks were clearly something darker than 507C/G45? That being the case, if she was in a two tone scheme it would have to have been the 'Equivalent of Dark Admiralty Type Designs' scheme which called for hull G10 and the upperworks G20. However it does not look like G20 so again I suggest the 50/50 507A/C emergency mix in place of G20. Edited February 25, 2017 by dickrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Lussino said: Hi, Many thanks for help so if I understood well the right color will be for DOY 1943 December battle of North Cape Hull G10/507a , superstructure MS2 and wooden deck 507b Medium Grey. Brgds, No. MS2 was discontinued in May 1943 and 507B was discontinued in September 1941 (which makes Malcolm Wright's suggestions impossible). Edited February 25, 2017 by dickrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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