canberra kid Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Hi Bob All that junk in the bay is the cold air unit. I personally wouldn't reproduce all the rivets but it down to the individual doing the building. The bomb bay is essentially the same on all Canberra's there are some photos on my site that cover the bomb bay in the B.2. The TT.18 onten flew with the long range tank fitted in the bay. John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) My understanding is that the bay structure of the PR.9 is essentially the same as the bombers. The doors and their inner skinning look pretty similar to my eyes. Hopefully John can confirm. Thanks for the Flickr comments, please feel free to use the pics. When it comes to detailing, it is very much modellers choice, but I wouldn't go mad on a Canberra. Do you know which particular TT.18 you are doing Bob? Edited March 3, 2017 by 71chally 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Comic timing there John! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 Thanks John Would the markings on the wing be roughly the right area for the cold air unit? It seems a chunky load of stuff but looks easy ish to reproduce. I'm not too sure about ghetto fasteners either, I had a play on the inside of the wing with my rivet wheel but it was very delicate, maybe too delicate. I will have to look at that long range tank and see if it's worth fitting still debating about open doors. Thanks as well 71chally I haven't fully decided on which one but probably going to plump for WH887 of FRAUD back in 74, only because I like the dayglo ducks, small things and all that. Just looked at the flaps as well.....maybe wings won't be on anytime soon! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, moaning dolphin said: Thanks as well 71chally I haven't fully decided on which one but probably going to plump for WH887 of FRAUD back in 74, only because I like the dayglo ducks, small things and all that. Aww, Matt Buddle will be pleased I'm sure! The bomb doors thing is another modellers personal preference of course, but they rarely seem to be open when seen on the flight line. Edited March 3, 2017 by 71chally 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, 71chally said: Aww, Matt Buddle will be pleased I'm sure! The bomb doors thing is another modellers personal preference of course, but they rarely seem to be open when seen on the flight line. James Matt doesn't have the nose any more but he still has a soft spot for the old girl! 22 minutes ago, moaning dolphin said: Thanks as well 71chally I haven't fully decided on which one but probably going to plump for WH887 of FRAUD back in 74, only because I like the dayglo ducks, small things and all that. Good choice Bob a Canberra with a very interesting history, she was in her younger B.2 days involved in nuclear weapons tests as part of 1323 Flt. John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 The position you've marked out looks about right Bob, If you take a look at the bomb bay photos on the site you will see it's quite a complicated structure with a lot of extra detail needed, the kit part is a good starting point though and if you add the tank you will only need to detail a third of it :) The basic structure of the bomb bays is the same on all Mk's just the detail changes mainly between the "Bombers" and "PR" even though the PR Canberra has a truncated bomb/flair bay the actual bomb bay structure was the same length, this was also true of the B.57. There is as always with the Canberra exceptions some models of the RB.57D and F had no, or reduced bomb bay structure. There is also a clearer drawing of the cold air conditioning here. air con and bomb bay Bomb bay John 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I hadn't realised that John, that's a shame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I see the Canberra Kid has taken over the bottom half of the Airfix Workbench this month - nice one John! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I have Dave? John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 minute ago, canberra kid said: I have Dave? John Yes, follow the link & scroll down,below the Tucano's - For the Love of Canberras! Fingers crossed, & 72nd please!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Yes, stunning work. How you can be that prolific and keep up that quality is beyond me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 52 minutes ago, canberra kid said: I have Dave? John You rock, John! Cheers, Bill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, canberra kid said: I have Dave? John I meant to mention that as well but got sidetracked by the air conditioning! It was a glowing piece....as if they were buttering you up to get lot's of info to release a new tool set of Canberras! Even offering a couple of 1.48s as prizes in a comp, I declined the comp as I don't have enough room for another! Bob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 10 hours ago, moaning dolphin said: I meant to mention that as well but got sidetracked by the air conditioning! It was a glowing piece....as if they were buttering you up to get lot's of info to release a new tool set of Canberras! Even offering a couple of 1.48s as prizes in a comp, I declined the comp as I don't have enough room for another! Bob Bring it on Airfix, I'm set to roll! We really do need a good mainstream 1/72 Canberra B.2/6, and I've not got a cat in hell's chance I did enter the comp, I could do with a Canberra John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 mind you looking at Johns models Airfix are probably thinking there is no need to bring out a new one! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 26 minutes ago, 71chally said: mind you looking at Johns models Airfix are probably thinking there is no need to bring out a new one! That's kind of you to say James, but we really do need one, please! John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 7 hours ago, canberra kid said: Bring it on Airfix, I'm set to roll! We really do need a good mainstream 1/72 Canberra B.2/6, and I've not got a cat in hell's chance I did enter the comp, I could do with a Canberra I entered that comp too.... I had to come away from that page though after a few minutes' ogling. Too much Canberra awesomeness in one place for mortal man to behold! Tony 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 2 hours ago, 71chally said: mind you looking at Johns models Airfix are probably thinking there is no need to bring out a new one! Just wait until they work their way through a couple of the build threads - the first 3 weeks taken up by modification and corrections to errors and omissions and shortcuts etc. Don't think they'll be feeling all that complacent. Here's a hypothetical question though; suppose that someone came up with the ultimate perfect kit of a Canberra - everything correct, no need for rescribing, filling, modification or after market extras. Perfection straight out of the box! Would that be a great build? Would it give the level of satisfaction and achievement? Or would it be a bit of a bore in the end? Whadaya think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: Just wait until they work their way through a couple of the build threads - the first 3 weeks taken up by modification and corrections to errors and omissions and shortcuts etc. Don't think they'll be feeling all that complacent. Here's a hypothetical question though; suppose that someone came up with the ultimate perfect kit of a Canberra - everything correct, no need for rescribing, filling, modification or after market extras. Perfection straight out of the box! Would that be a great build? Would it give the level of satisfaction and achievement? Or would it be a bit of a bore in the end? Whadaya think? I think you're right, it wouldn't be as much "fun" but I think to take out some of the most frustrating points of the kit would be nice. The thing with the Canberra is there are so many subtle variants in the B.2 alone it would take some careful thought to get it right. John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 1 hour ago, rob Lyttle said: Perfection straight out of the box! Would that be a great build? Would it give the level of satisfaction and achievement? Or would it be a bit of a bore in the end? Whadaya think? I'm after perfection out of the box, can save all the hard work for the various mods and configurations to model the many weird and wonderful Canberras out there! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 1 minute ago, 71chally said: I'm after perfection out of the box, can save all the hard work for the various mods and configurations to model the many weird and wonderful Canberras out there! Good point James. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) That's the problem with the perfect kit, you can't spend days just chopping up plastic! Speaking of which I looked at those flaps. The kit does have some ribs on the underside of the upper wing but it isn't very accurate and the top wing is very thick in plastic. To thin that would be difficult. My initial thought would be to replace the whole of the flap area including the upper wing, which by the looks of it is flat. But before I chopped up the wing I had a go at the wing section first. First thing is to map out the position of the ribs, eventually I could decipher the AP diagram on John's site, this has a dedicated section to the flaps and is very useful. I determined I needed 6 ribs and marked out the positions on some plastic. Now the tailing edge of the wing should be very thin so I secured the plastic to a steel rule and chamfered the last 1/4" as shown After that I looked at the ribs, they are very fine and small so I made up a template. It has two distinct holes and an angled structure, so going by John's site and also our own BM walkabout I determined a rough shape I then made out 6 for each side and I made sure the holes lined up as there are rods that go though them I scribed out a thick channel to line up the ribs and stuck them down, making sure the holes lined up I gave it a check with a couple of control rods. The large one is a bit too thick so I will use a thinner one for the final build. I then spent an hour on the other side (I know there are 4 in total but the outer ones will come along later) Happy with that I chopped out the kit effort and fitted the new section While fitting to the top wing I had to check alignment with the bottom which involved a bit of trimming but the end result gave me this. Before closing all this up I will furnish the area with all the operating mechanisms. But first a small note, this isn't exact scaling, I have done it to what looks good, so this recess and the corresponding flap will be slightly larger. Not too much but should look good enough! So speaking of the flap, the kit effort will be too small so it was back to the plastic! The real thing is hollow but you can't get that from the kit so using the kit as a template I drilled out a few holes in thin plastic card and built up the flap from 3 separate pieces. I used a bit of rod to help give me the triangular appearance It will need a little bit of filler and a rub down but looks a lot better, I also couldn't resist doing a dummy fit to see how it all looks. So another flap to make then do it all again for the outer flaps, only snag with the outer ones are loads more ribs! Deep joy . So loads to keep me going and I need to look at that cold air pack, I fancy putting that in,until then, Laters! Bob Edited March 4, 2017 by moaning dolphin 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) Right, a good solid correct base to build on. That makes sense forget about all that - THE FLAPS ARE AWESOME, DUDE Edited March 4, 2017 by rob Lyttle the flaps! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Good work on the flaps Bob, don't forget that part of the wing trailing edge forms part of the flap on inner and outer. I'm on my phone so it's hard to see if you've have or not. I know how hard it is, I've done it in 1/72 scale in the mad old days 😊 John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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