Rick Brown Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Chaps. Just applying the decals to an Academy 1/48th Spitfire NH895 NI*K and have noticed something. The wing top roundels with the kit are type "B", but the Xtradecals I'll be using are stated as Type "C". Quite different as you can imagine. Googling around every model picture I can see has the type "B", but I can't find any pictures of the real aircraft. Anybody know which is correct? I'm modelling the aircraft based at 451 Sqn, RAAF Fassberg, Wunsdorf or Gatow, 1945. Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 TAF began using C type roundels for the upper wing surface in January 1945. The kit version may be correct for before this but if you want to do it in 1945 then go with the C type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brown Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Brilliant Graham! "C" type roundel in the water... Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 And black spinner and no Sky band. Cheers Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 You can see a hint of white on the upper wing in this photo, just to remove any lingering worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 But a Sky spinner, just to be awkward. Could be the CO trying to stand out, or perhaps a replacement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brown Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, spitfire said: And black spinner and no Sky band. Cheers Dennis Bother, sky spinner already! No band though. 6 minutes ago, gingerbob said: You can see a hint of white on the upper wing in this photo, just to remove any lingering worry. Yes, I thought that too when I saw it. Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brown Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Graham Boak said: But a Sky spinner, just to be awkward. Could be the CO trying to stand out, or perhaps a replacement. Phew! Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: But a Sky spinner, just to be awkward. Could be the CO trying to stand out, or perhaps a replacement. They just could not resist making it harder for future modellers ! Cheers Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie22 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Rick, No. 451 Sqn did not get their Spitfire XIV aircraft until the latter part of 1945. So late war markings are appropriate. I have attached a shot of NH895, NI-K, taken at Gatow, Germany. The spinner appears to be Sky. Note, that it is not a case of no Sky fuselage band, but rather, a case of the Sky band having been over-painted, as the squadron was no longer part of Fighter Command, but part of the British Air Forces of Occupation. The second shot of NH919, (the CO, Graham Falconer's kite), shows the upper wing roundels. They look to have a Yellow outer ring, i.e. C1 not C type. Note also, that most, if not all, of No. 451 Sqn's Spitfire XIV aircraft carried the squadron's unofficial badge under the port windscreen quarter panel. HTH Peter M 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Thomas Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 9 hours ago, Magpie22 said: The second shot of NH919, (the CO, Graham Falconer's kite), shows the upper wing roundels. They look to have a Yellow outer ring, i.e. C1 not C type. Peter M Just to clarify - all 2nd TAF aircraft were ordered to be painted with what are now known as 'Type C1' roundels (i.e. with narrow yellow outer rings) above and below the wings. They were already in place on the fuselage. The order was made on 2 Jan 45, to be actioned the following day, but it took until 5 February 45 to complete the work. At about the same time other RAF Commands had their Type B wing roundels changed to Type C (no yellow outer ring). Postwar 2nd TAF became BAFO but there was no rush to change the roundels in line with the rest of the RAF. I have photos which show Type C1 on Tempests' wings in service in 1948. However new aircraft received after the hostilities do not appear to have had the yellow rings added i.e. both styles of wing markings to be seen for at least 3 years in Germany. CT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brown Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ah! Well, mines now got just the type C roundels above the wings and it'll now stay like that forever! Very interesting stuff and I would have used a C1 roundel if I'd have know because it would have been more likely. Thanks chaps. Rick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Thomas Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, Rick Brown said: Ah! Well, mines now got just the type C roundels above the wings and it'll now stay like that forever! Rick. Well Rick, for all we know, someone may have painted out the yellow rings on 'K' before they were told not to bother ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Sorry Rick, I was so focused on the white I didn't think about the yellow ring until someone else brought it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Can I add "me too"? The only sort-of excuse is that the 1945 roundel that sprang to my mind was on an SOE Halifax - which was not in 2 TAF, as Chris could no doubt point out. Re Halifax: I will shamelessly add that if anyone knows of any C roundels at 90in in 1/72, will they please let me know? (That's 60in in 1/48, which doesn't appear to have been a standard, but I may not be that fussy....) Edit: I had said 84in, but despite appearing as a B type on at least one of my Halifax sheets, the majority measure nearer to 90in. Edited February 8, 2017 by Graham Boak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 20 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: Can I add "me too"? The only sort-of excuse is that the 1945 roundel that sprang to my mind was on an SOE Halifax - which was not in 2 TAF, as Chris could no doubt point out. Re Halifax: I will shamelessly add that if anyone knows of any C roundels at 84in in 1/72, will they please let me know? (That's about 58in in 1/48, which doesn't appear to have been a standard, but I may not be that fussy....) Modeldecal set 103, has two C roundels at 84" on it. Mark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Incidentally, it is possible to find separate yellow rings on decal sheets, so might be possible to "paint it on" as an addition- just like the original! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Sadly these are not common: it is one of my standard wishes to decal manufacturers but so far they are resisting stubbornly. It does of course reduce considerably the number of possible roundels they can put on their sheets. The only kit that springs to mind that does this is the 1/72 Hasegawa Hurricane. Because of the thinness of the ring, it is the C1 roundel that suffers most from misalignment - even on dedicated sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brown Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 I'll do a RFI post when finished, so you can see if it looks ok! Rick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Hey, it's an FR.XIV- it's GONNA look OK! Edited February 9, 2017 by gingerbob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael louey Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Sadly these are not common: it is one of my standard wishes to decal manufacturers but so far they are resisting stubbornly. It does of course reduce considerably the number of possible roundels they can put on their sheets. The only kit that springs to mind that does this is the 1/72 Hasegawa Hurricane. Because of the thinness of the ring, it is the C1 roundel that suffers most from misalignment - even on dedicated sheets. Hi Graham, I used the Red Roo decals for my 1/72 Sptfire XIV last year and from memory, they have the Yellow component of the roundel as a seperate item. The corresponding 1/48th item is probably the same Refer this item in the forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie22 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, gingerbob said: Hey, it's an FR.XIV- it's GONNA look OK! Hey Bob, Is there any Spitfire that don't look good? Peter M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie22 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Chris Thomas said: Just to clarify - all 2nd TAF aircraft were ordered to be painted with what are now known as 'Type C1' roundels (i.e. with narrow yellow outer rings) above and below the wings. They were already in place on the fuselage. The order was made on 2 Jan 45, to be actioned the following day, but it took until 5 February 45 to complete the work. At about the same time other RAF Commands had their Type B wing roundels changed to Type C (no yellow outer ring). Postwar 2nd TAF became BAFO but there was no rush to change the roundels in line with the rest of the RAF. I have photos which show Type C1 on Tempests' wings in service in 1948. However new aircraft received after the hostilities do not appear to have had the yellow rings added i.e. both styles of wing markings to be seen for at least 3 years in Germany. CT Thanks for cleaning up my poor answer, Chris. I posted the photos in a bit of a hurry - SWMBO was waiting for me to take her out for dinner. Peter M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPL Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 9/2/2017 at 3:39 AM, Michael louey said: Hi Graham, I used the Red Roo decals for my 1/72 Sptfire XIV last year and from memory, they have the Yellow component of the roundel as a seperate item. The corresponding 1/48th item is probably the same Refer this item in the forum. Red Roo RRD4849 451 Squadron RAAF The Away Team Part 3 Has it in 1/48, and for NI&K. They, however, claim that it is as seen in Berlin in October 1945. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britman Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Check the spinner on the second aircraft..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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