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Hewy    1,596

I'm attempting the bobcat models yak 28 p firebar, picked it up today,and first impressions are it looks really nice on the sprues, while ive spent most of my modelling day getting my harrier gr9 a bit closer to completion ive spent the last 45mins dryfitting ,I've not done a whole aircraft in alclad before and i understand from a bit of research that as good of an initial fit is essential to getting a good finish,that is the less damage to panel lines and minimal filler the better,second impressions are ,while not really a criticism the plastic seems a bit waxy, but this is a criticism the mating surfaces of the fuselage are ,to be kind not exactly tamiya,now to be honest i never expected tamiya build quality,but theres going to be a bit more sanding than i would have liked,and hopefully the filler i use,will be ok with waxy plastic,time will tell. Photos tomorrow,  cheers

Glynn

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Hewy    1,596

Fuselage now quite a good fit done away with a couple of locating pin on the top of the fuselage near the tail got the tail together nice fit ,and mates withthe fuelage well ,things are looking up starting to get a bit more optimistic 

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Hewy    1,596

Couple of photos its going together well, the norm will be a couple of three swipes with a sanding stick across the mating surfaces not the leading edges,and the fit is very good,so far,even the canopy looks to fit really  well, mrs hewy says i shouldn't take the tape off and just daub glue on it and job done,,😮,cheers 

Glynn

 

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Enzo Matrix    5,265
15 minutes ago, modelling minion said:

Oooh, pointy!!

 

You are Buffy Summers and I claim my five pounds!  :D 

 

I think I'm going to have to investigate this kit. I like the looks of it. Watching with interest. :popcorn:

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modelling minion    3,295
1 minute ago, Enzo Matrix said:

You are Buffy Summers and I claim my five pounds!  :D

Buffy Summers! Now there's a blast from the past. I can assure you that the only thing she and I have in common is skin, and hers is better than mine.

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Hewy    1,596

 

36 minutes ago, Enzo Matrix said:

 

You are Buffy Summers and I claim my five pounds!  :D 

 

I think I'm going to have to investigate this kit. I like the looks of it. Watching with interest. :popcorn:

Bloomin hell I'm out of the game here,please enlighten me on buffy summers,hopefully she's not a bad gal 

Glynn

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Enzo Matrix    5,265
4 minutes ago, Hewy said:

Bloomin hell I'm out of the game here,please enlighten me on buffy summers,hopefully she's not a bad gal

 

In every generation there is a chosen one.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer

 

Buffy isn't a bad gal.   That's Faith...

 

We now return you to the normally scheduled pointy Firebar goodness.  :)

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modelling minion    3,295
5 minutes ago, Hewy said:

Bloomin hell I'm out of the game here,please enlighten me on buffy summers,hopefully she's not a bad gal

Not a bad gal at all, unless you are a vampire.

And I think they've even been eradicated from Atherstone now. ;)

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Hewy    1,596

Oh didnt know ms gellers second name in the show i used to watch only all the time,

I am in the game after all just needed a little shove,

I've just got a bang seat together and i was rather hopfull that it woul be a match for a quick boost mig 21 ,23 seat  any body recognise it before i go into research mode

Sorry for the poor light

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Hewy    1,596

Scratch that last post about the ejection seat I'm almost certain its the  k36vm ejection seat looks very similar in photos and i believe that soviet aircraft manufacturers were producing their own seats ,further research is needed 

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Hewy    1,596
1 hour ago, modelling minion said:

Not a bad gal at all, unless you are a vampire.

And I think they've even been eradicated from Atherstone now. ;)

Some are still throwing sticks at the moon around here

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zebra    845

Great start Glynn. Looks like everything's going to fit together nicely.

 

Also looks like your thread is in for a massive Buffy derail!

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Col.    5,017

Interesting to read your thoughts and findings with this one. The kit has certainly caused a stir so I'm sure there will be plenty people watching your progress.

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exdraken    2,592

great, another Firebar to watch and learn from!

 

 

concerning the ejection seat - good question!

http://combatace.com/topic/33711-cockpit-ini-updates-for-paskos-yaks/

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6092&d=1179764575

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6093&d=1179764591

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6094&d=1179764599

 

probably kk-2s, as found in late MiG-17s would be ok

http://www.neomega-resin.com/kk-2-272-p.asp

 

at this build I compared some of the available KK-2s

SM-2_Ejection_Seat_MiG-15_Mig-17_36862_z

note that the headrest side protection is folded "open" here!

hope this helps a bit!

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Hewy    1,596
2 minutes ago, exdraken said:

great, another Firebar to watch and learn from!

 

 

concerning the ejection seat - good question!

http://combatace.com/topic/33711-cockpit-ini-updates-for-paskos-yaks/

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6092&d=1179764575

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6093&d=1179764591

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6094&d=1179764599

 

probably kk-2s, as found in late MiG-17s would be ok

http://www.neomega-resin.com/kk-2-272-p.asp

 

at this build I compared some of the available KK-2s

SM-2_Ejection_Seat_MiG-15_Mig-17_36862_z

note that the headrest side protection is folded "open" here!

hope this helps a bit!

Yes exdraken i was thinking kk2 after research thanks for your findings .very similar aren't they

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Hewy    1,596
38 minutes ago, Col. said:

Interesting to read your thoughts and findings with this one. The kit has certainly caused a stir so I'm sure there will be plenty people watching your progress.

Col I'm going out on a bit of whim here all the wine induced research from me exdaken and zebra ,are coming up with the kk2 ejection seat ,would it be fair game to fit these in the firebar,cheers glynn

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exdraken    2,592

some more I found....

it is getting harder, as Russian is not my first language (nor my 2nd or else....)

not neseccarily of the Firebar, looks more like Brewer to me, buit...

http://bvvaul-barnaul.narod.ru/2014/1982/82122-026.htm

1982Chis_015.jpg

 

looks like the P version to me, and in camo?

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_p_1265821.html#1265821

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I also found this link:

maybe that states that the seat is either a KK-2 (late) or an indigenous K-7MN..... whatever that is ;)

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/132485-yak-28p-firebar-ejection-seat/&do=findComment&comment=1178356

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Hewy    1,596
25 minutes ago, exdraken said:

great, another Firebar to watch and learn from!

 

 

concerning the ejection seat - good question!

http://combatace.com/topic/33711-cockpit-ini-updates-for-paskos-yaks/

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6092&d=1179764575

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6093&d=1179764591

http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=6094&d=1179764599

 

probably kk-2s, as found in late MiG-17s would be ok

http://www.neomega-resin.com/kk-2-272-p.asp

 

at this build I compared some of the available KK-2s

SM-2_Ejection_Seat_MiG-15_Mig-17_36862_z

note that the headrest side protection is folded "open" here!

hope this helps a bit!

Super pictures youve uncoverd there well usefull kk2 its going to be 

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Hewy    1,596
2 minutes ago, exdraken said:

some more I found....

it is getting harder, as Russian is not my first language (nor my 2nd or else....)

not neseccarily of the Firebar, looks more like Brewer to me, buit...

http://bvvaul-barnaul.narod.ru/2014/1982/82122-026.htm

1982Chis_015.jpg

 

looks like the P version to me, and in camo?

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_p_1265821.html#1265821

687ffe783858.jpg

 

I also found this link:

maybe that states that the seat is either a KK-2 (late) or an indigenous K-7MN..... whatever that is ;)

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/132485-yak-28p-firebar-ejection-seat/&do=findComment&comment=1178356

As far as I've found out the k-7nm was fitted to some late production 28 p but i can't find any photographic reference of this seat, although a few sources mention the kk2 ,many thanks for your findings 

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exdraken    2,592

some interesting walk around:

https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/b737/album/47227/?&p=8

https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/b737/album/47227/view/386119?page=10

 

http://bvvaul-barnaul.narod.ru/2014/1982/82123-002-3.htm

1982Abr_039.jpg1982Abr_035.jpg

 

slightly different layout:

http://vaul.ru/vypuskniki/vypuski-1971-1975/1972-g?layout=edit&id=306

chk018.jpg

chk011.jpg

 

?? could be from  a Yak-25

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_665073_1333132676_12.jpg.html

 

sorry, if I am a pain already just tell me!

I is also me doing a bit of research now for the first time on this plane... better sharing it I though!

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Hewy    1,596
8 minutes ago, Hewy said:

As far as I've found out the k-7nm was fitted to some late production 28 p but i can't find any photographic reference of this seat, although a few sources mention the kk2 ,many thanks for your findings 

Yes a late 28p i don'tbelieve they started camo finishes til the mid 80s,i did notice that the star on the tail isnt level and tilts forward ,and ive noticed this on other sovet jets toofrom the 80s , I'm not ocd by the way

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Col.    5,017

Reads as if you lads are leading the way in researching a difficult subject. Best of luck solving this conundrum as I think there will be quite a few people asking the same questions as the kit lands on more workbenches soon.

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zebra    845

That camouflaged Firebar is interesting. I expect the chances of a colour photo turning up are pretty slim!

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