Hawker typhoon Ib

[oz!]

Hi guys, I'm starting the revell 1/32 typhoon Ib (cab door type) soon and need a bit of info....did the typhoon Ib carry rockets as well as bombs or was it just bombs and did it wear a full compliment of invasion stripes or were they just painted under the wings.

 

Many thanks in advance.......Oz!

[Troy Smith]

Typhoon's are a surprisingly complex subject,  but we do have  Chris Thomas here.

 

but in short,  Typhon's could carry either bombs or rockets, but not both, and squadron usually specialised.

 

Typhoons did have full invasion stripes,  but a classic uninformed error is mistaking the previously used ID stripes that were only underwing

see drawings  at the bottom here

 

from 

http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Camoflage-Markings/04-Hawker-Tornado-Typhoon

 

which is still the best primer on the subject.

 

If you want accuracy,  then you are best off asking about the specific plane you want, Typhoons can be tricky, while nearly are Ib's,  there are many  detail changes, they can have car or bubble hoods, normal or Tempest type tail planes, 3 or 4 blade props, etc etc

 

Finally if the Tiffie bug bites the Airfix1/24th bubble top kit is at the point in it's product life cycle that's it's been about cheap,  lowest was £45 posted.......

 

HTH

T

[72modeler]

I think somebody will be along shortly to elucidate, but off the top of my head, since my copy of the Ducimus Typhoon Camouflage and Markings monograph is not immediately at hand, IIRC they could carry either bombs or rockets, but usually an individual airframe was designated as either a bomb or a rocket carrier, to dispense with installing/removing the bomb rack and pylon or the rocket rails. Be careful, as the original black and white underwing stripes were not 'invasion' stripes, as they were for recognition, and the black and white stripes were not equal in width. I am guessing if car door Mk 1b's were still in use during the D-Day invasion, then they would have had the equal width black and white invasion stripes painted on upper and lower wings and around the fuselage- later on, the stripes were removed from the upper wings and fuselage or painted over, and even later, were removed from the lower wings..

 

Then, you have to consider that 1b's could have standard/Tempest tailplanes, or car door/bubble canopy, or a three/four blade prop-.decisions, decisions! It's always best to try and find a photo of the one you want to model! Wait right here- one of the Typhoon experts will be along in a mo' as you guys like to say!

 

Mike

[oz!]

Thanks for the help gents, I picked the kit up for £10 so that's not too bad, I have a set of resin rockets which I would like to use but can't find much info about them being fitted to early models.

 

Thanks again guys.

 

P.S. would it be too much of a job to convert it to a bubble top?..

[Tony C]

I've read that the Typhoon could carry a mixture of 60lb and 25lb rockets but I have never seen photographic evidence, yet!

[Troy Smith]

1 hour ago, oz! said:

Thanks for the help gents, I picked the kit up for £10 so that's not too bad, I have a set of resin rockets which I would like to use but can't find much info about them being fitted to early models.

 

Thanks again guys.

 

P.S. would it be too much of a job to convert it to a bubble top?..

I think there was a bubble top conversion made by someone,  have a google.

eg

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal10/9301-9400/gal9400-Typhoon-Negley/00.shtm

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This kit comes as the birdcage canopy version of the Typhoon but I always preferred the bubble top version. When I decided I wanted to do this conversion Tom's Modelworks was the only one that I could find that offered the conversion kit so I purchased it. This conversoin kit offered a vacu-formed canopy and the four bladed propeller but it didn't offer the HVAR rockets so I never put them on. I don't think this conversion kit is available anymore though. 

 

here's a build

http://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/cleaver/tmctyph.htm

 

 But, from memory, the rocket firing Tiffies usually had the 4 blade prop and tempest tailplanes.

 

If you  really want a rocket Typhoon in 1.32nd, either wait for the planned Special Hobby kit, or be prepared to hunt out a conversion kit, but then you have the "dilemma" of how much work you want to put into a 40 year + kit, which is a bit basic, lacks   detail and has raised panel lines..

I'd suggest that you  might be better off just building it 'as is'  and getting the SH kit if you still want the rocket version.  If the kit is a recent  issue then it should have decent decals

eg

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/945326-revell-85-4663-hawker-typhoon

 

 

another build

http://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/3241-revell-132-hawker-typhoon-vintage/

thogh the guy at the end  uses the wrong markings (very late war/post  war )  

 

no, the early models were not fitted with rockets, as they were not used before early 1944 (from memory)

For absolute chapter and verse, ask Chris Thomas.  (or he will pitch in when he sees this)

Airfix did a very useful Typhoon supplement by Chris Thomas,  which I don't  think is up any more,  but folks will have saved  this(I  have, on another machine),  but it was very  in depth and covered all the detail changes,  noting what changes  came in with each serial batch.    

 

 

1 hour ago, Tony C said:

I've read that the Typhoon could carry a mixture of 60lb and 25lb rockets but I have never seen photographic evidence, yet!

I didn't even try to touch on possible complications with rockets, for example the inital rails were the Mk.1,  later replaced by the mk.3 type.

Some late war Typhoons used  a mix of drop tanks and rocket rails,  and IIRC used doubled up rails.

There have been threads on this here

 

 

this thread http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234938660-colour-of-rockets-fitted-to-hurricane/

ended up as classic, with a selection of photos, diagrams and information on rockets that turns this into one of those which answer's questions you not even known to ask!

Britmodeller at it's best.

 

Ah, note this from Chris,  which should answer your question Tony C

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I've only seen the 25 lb RP (the ones with black/white heads) used by one squadron - 263 when it was engaged on anti-shipping work - although it is likely 137 Squadron used them as well as they were engaged in similar work at the same time.

 

HTH

T

[brewerjerry]

Hi

    This is avaiable for the canopy, 

http://www.squadron.com/1-32-Squadron-Canopies-Hawker-Typhoon-SQ9411-p/sq9411.htm

  there might be a uk supplier, or e bay,

   i think i got mine from a NZ hobby shop 

   cheers

     jerry

Edited February 1, 2017 by brewerjerry
extra info

[Graham Boak]

Re the combination of props and bombs: this was if anything the other way around, with the large tailplane aircraft (and all squadron aircraft with the 4-blade prop had the large tailplane) being delivered preferentially to the bomber units.  Probably not exclusively.  My understanding is that this was driven by the carriage of the larger 1000lb bombs, but discussion with Chris showed that he'd found no specific instruction to this effect.  As the Revell kit has the three-blade prop and the small tailplane, you are perfectly safe with using rockets or the 500lb bombs.

 

The 25lb AP head was intended for use against AFVs, but it was soon found in trials that it was more effective against shipping, and the 60lb head was more generally useful in ground attack work.  Hence its appearance on 263 Sq when engaged in anti-shipping work.

[oz!]

thank you very much for all your help gentlemen in answering my questions, I'll start the riveting and repaneling process over the weekend...

 

 

thanks again gents............regards oz!

[Gomtuu]

It's interesting that in the anti-shipping role the 25lb head rocket would curve upwards when striking the sea due to the difference in the densities of air and water. Thus crews where taught to aim just in front of a ship or U-boat to almost guarantee a "wet strike".

[tempestfan]

@ Troy, there really isn't a recent issue of the kit, the last release by Bünde dates from the early 90s, I think,  and had decals by Revell's dreaded local supplier. THe most recent US release also seems to be 2 decades old. Shame really,  as it's a good kit. 

If I remember the kit correctly, the lower wing has indentations on the inside in the rocket rail pylon positions, but the rockets are nowhere to be seen. Probably Revell planned an alternative release,  possibly even bubble,  which Didn't materialise.