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I'm only now starting to understand the rules properly... so something like a USN Hellcat would be fine as it was involved in the various carrier battles but say a B-29 operating from Tinian is not, correct ?
Guess I'll go for a SEA or Australian subject to stay on the safe side, I've just received Eduard's "Aussie Eight" Spitfire set and will build one of the subjects in the box

 

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Hi all - I hope you like a challenge (actually, I know you do)...

 

I've been struggling to find anything in my stash that would suit this GB, but one possible contender might be the Hellcat from this collection.

 

Fighters-Four.jpg

 

Unfortunately, whilst I've managed to track down the subjects represented by the Cutlass, Corsair and Shooting Star (they're all from the 1950s), I'm really struggling to identify what particular aircraft the Hellcat is supposed to represent.

 

I have zero knowledge (no pun intended), but from the little I've gleaned on-line there seem to be inconsistencies in the Hellcat scheme as presented (e.g. O/A dark blue with bar-less national markings?).  Also, I can't find any pictures of Hellcats carrying a large white letter on their tails.  If any of you have any thoughts on what Lindberg had in mind, I would appreciate your comments please :thumbsup:

 

Thanks

 

Cliff

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On 3/12/2018 at 2:10 AM, Erwin said:

Hi,

 

I'm in with this...(if it's OK with the rules)

 

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Arrr I may have to clarify this one, sorry I was thinking of the other GB I have proposed. If you can find out they were used or based somewhere in SEA, then one in that scheme (hmm they were all pretty much painted the same) or makings then that would be fine. I have a feeling they were commonly used everywhere, but i’ll check as well.

 

EDIT: I've just done some research on this and you should be ok, but you'll need to check that the marking selected are correct. According to the "be all to end all knowledge bank who's never wrong", Wiki :D , "aboard Japanese raiders Hokoku Maru and Aikoku Maru in Indian Ocean raids" , and Dutch east Indies.

15 hours ago, Giorgio N said:

I'm only now starting to understand the rules properly... so something like a USN Hellcat would be fine as it was involved in the various carrier battles but say a B-29 operating from Tinian is not, correct ?
Guess I'll go for a SEA or Australian subject to stay on the safe side, I've just received Eduard's "Aussie Eight" Spitfire set and will build one of the subjects in the box

 

If I have the airbase right then yes Tintan does fall outside this build scope, but would be fine for the next one I have proposed.

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I would like clarification of the carriers part of the GB. Are we just wanting Aircraft Carrier models from either Midway or Coral Sea, or will any of the carrier escorts do? I can do carriers or escorts from either battle and either USN or IJN. Or, could it be an aircraft model of an aircraft that was on one of the carrier's at either battle - ie Tomonaga's Kate or Thach's Wildcat from Midway?

 

thanks
Mike

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8 hours ago, CliffB said:

Fighters-Four.jpg

 

Hello Cliff ... I have to agree it is a hodge podge of markings. The Hellcat looks to be a F6F-5 early type. It still has the secondary windows of the -3 but has the rocket capabilities of the -5. The markings are early war Roundel with early/pre-war squadron code of F-31 indicating VF-31. Usually there would be a number in front of the “F” indicating which aircraft in the squadron. The “R” on the Vertical tail is post war indicating either the carrier air group or assigned air station. 

     You could make it into a correct WW2 version by giving it a 3 tone mid war camouflage. Then adding the correct star & bar and codes to the plane. Hopefully this helps a little ? 

 

Dennis

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3 hours ago, Mikemx said:

I would like clarification of the carriers part of the GB. Are we just wanting Aircraft Carrier models from either Midway or Coral Sea, or will any of the carrier escorts do? I can do carriers or escorts from either battle and either USN or IJN. Or, could it be an aircraft model of an aircraft that was on one of the carrier's at either battle - ie Tomonaga's Kate or Thach's Wildcat from Midway?

 

thanks
Mike

Hi Mike,

 

Ok, ideally the Midway and Coral Sea is for Carriers and the aircraft that operated off them at the time of those conflicts, so correct colours schemes etc are required. But I really don't see an issue if an escort that was part of the Battle Group is built.  

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For validation - Operation Meridian was the attack on the Palembang Refinery in Sumatra.  Are you including Sumatra as part of the Pacific Ocean or the Indian Ocean?  

 

It's ok if it's out, I would do the subject in the "Things that fly off things that float" GB and do something else from the stash for the Pacific War GB..

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8 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

Hello Cliff ... I have to agree it is a hodge podge of markings. The Hellcat looks to be a F6F-5 early type. It still has the secondary windows of the -3 but has the rocket capabilities of the -5. The markings are early war Roundel with early/pre-war squadron code of F-31 indicating VF-31. Usually there would be a number in front of the “F” indicating which aircraft in the squadron. The “R” on the Vertical tail is post war indicating either the carrier air group or assigned air station. 

     You could make it into a correct WW2 version by giving it a 3 tone mid war camouflage. Then adding the correct star & bar and codes to the plane. Hopefully this helps a little ? 

 

Dennis

Thanks Dennis.  That's really helpful.  I just need to see now whether I can match a subject to the Rules of this GB :winkgrin:

Cheers

Cliff

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39 minutes ago, Grey Beema said:

For validation - Operation Meridian was the attack on the Palembang Refinery in Sumatra.  Are you including Sumatra as part of the Pacific Ocean or the Indian Ocean?  

 

It's ok if it's out, I would do the subject in the "Things that fly off things that float" GB and do something else from the stash for the Pacific War GB..

that should be fine, it's in Wiki list of countries involved in the SEA campaign of WWII........and Wiki is never wrong! ;)  Plus you have to say Sumatra is in the Indian Ocean or on the edge of it.

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13 hours ago, trickyrich said:

Arrr I may have to clarify this one, sorry I was thinking of the other GB I have proposed. If you can find out they were used or based somewhere in SEA, then one in that scheme (hmm they were all pretty much painted the same) or makings then that would be fine. I have a feeling they were commonly used everywhere, but i’ll check as well.

 

 

Hi,

 

Concerning the 24 th Trumpeter Rufe.

As I paint by brush,the easiest paintsheme for me is the overall light greenish gray .

 

Decal option:

Lt Yamazaki,802 kokutai.Shortland Islands 1943.

 

As I'm no expert on PTO ,I don't  know if this fits the GB-rules.It's up to the GB-hosts to decide.

 

I found these links ...

 

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/h/Shortland_Islands.htm

 

https://www.britannica.com/place/Solomon-Islands

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1 hour ago, Erwin said:

Hi,

 

Concerning the 24 th Trumpeter Rufe.

As I paint by brush,the easiest paintsheme for me is the overall light greenish gray .

 

Decal option:

Lt Yamazaki,802 kokutai.Shortland Islands 1943.

 

As I'm no expert on PTO ,I don't  know if this fits the GB-rules.It's up to the GB-hosts to decide.

 

I found these links ...

 

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/h/Shortland_Islands.htm

 

https://www.britannica.com/place/Solomon-Islands

unfortunately the Solomon Islands are outside the scope of this GB, unfortunately I can't help out with the schemes for the SEA operated aircraft. 

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1 hour ago, trickyrich said:

unfortunately the Solomon Islands are outside the scope of this GB, unfortunately I can't help out with the schemes for the SEA operated aircraft. 

Hi,

 

No problem.

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On 09/09/2017 at 10:16 AM, theplasticsurgeon said:

Only just noticed this thread.

Academy Ventura with Frog RAAF decals.

Academy_Ventura.jpg

 

Italeri PBJ Mitchell in Pacific camp.

Italeri_Mitchell.jpg

 

Airfix Wildcat, or Dauntless - carrier borne.

Airfix_SBD.jpgAirfix_F4_F4s.jpg

 

Academy Helldiver - looking for a build excuse.

Academy_Hell_Diver.jpg

 

I've just had another proper look at the rules for this GB.

Aus/NZ - yep still got that Ventura.

Midway/Coral Sea - well that Dauntless is Midway.

 

The Wildcat is Guadacanal - I'll save that for Grumman GB.

The Martlet is Torch/North Africa.

All the options for the HellDiver are 1944.  I'll build that during another GB. 

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On 18/1/2018 at 8:43 AM, TEMPESTMK5 said:

Good morning Rich

I received yesterday the new Hobby Boss 1/72 P61A Black Widow and I would like to know if it would qualified for this Gb ?  in the affirmative I will wait to build it for this Gb otherwhise I will build it as a ETO based aircraft ...

Best regards

Patrice  

 

On 19/1/2018 at 12:34 AM, trickyrich said:

Hi Patrice

 

as far as I know the P-61A's weren't used in the SEA campaign, if someone can confirm this or not it would help. The Aussies & Kiwi's unfortunately didn't operate this aircraft during the war.

 

So unfortunately this one doesn't qualify, pity as I really do like these aircraft!

 

 

While checking on one of the Squadron Signal books if my A-20 would have been eligible, I found that 427th NFS flew Black Widows in Burma. 426th NFS also had P-61s but they were mostly based in China.

 

 

 

 

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if you have some info on the P-61's operating out of Burma then that's perfect, go for it!  :thumbsup:

 

P-61's are one of my favourite aircraft, so more than happy to see one in the build.

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3 hours ago, trickyrich said:

if you have some info on the P-61's operating out of Burma then that's perfect, go for it!  :thumbsup:

 

P-61's are one of my favourite aircraft, so more than happy to see one in the build.

 

The one linked below is the same picture I found in the book (this being Squadron's Air Force Colors, Vol. 3 by Dana Bell)

 

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/p-61/p-61a-black-widow-42-5628-of-the-427th-night-fighter-squadron-burma/

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14 hours ago, Giorgio N said:

 

The one linked below is the same picture I found in the book (this being Squadron's Air Force Colors, Vol. 3 by Dana Bell)

 

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/p-61/p-61a-black-widow-42-5628-of-the-427th-night-fighter-squadron-burma/

 

Good morning Giorgio

Thank you for the link

 

17 hours ago, trickyrich said:

if you have some info on the P-61's operating out of Burma then that's perfect, go for it!  :thumbsup:

 

P-61's are one of my favourite aircraft, so more than happy to see one in the build.

 

Good morning Rich

  I need to check the decals options I have in the Black Widow decals sheets I have in my stash ..

 

Patrice

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  • 2 months later...

This will be the kit I,am doing will cover land and sea Landing Ship Medium it also has Sherman's Greyhounds and Duce and a Half as cargo

 

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beefy

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19 hours ago, bianfuxia said:

I'd like to join this with my USS Hammann kit - a destroyer that was in Coral Sea and then sunk at Midway. That's within the GB embrace right?

it sort of does....I've just been reading up on her and her role in the Battle of Midway, so as an Escort to the carriers and her role with the USS Yorktown.

 

As a side note I built Ensign Hammann's Macchi M.5 a few years ago for a Seaplane GB. I think he was the first naval Pilot to win the Medal of Honour?

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I've tried hard to work out the rules for this - wonder if: (a) you could post them again and (b) is there a way to find out the rules as a latecomer other than reading through 6 pages and piecing it all together?

 

thanks!

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