mirageiv Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) On 1/13/2017 at 10:36 AM, Mountain goat said: From the pictures it looks an awful lot like an engraved version of the Heller kit, especially the nose section. Jay When I saw the pics I thought the exact same thing! I've built the Heller kit too many times and it does look noticably similar in places, not just like 1/72 kits of the same subject should do, but rather lots of the tooling particulars such as the airbrakes, nuke, rudder fairing etc..not to mention it even looks like the sanded plastic still present in the rescribed panel lines! I could be completely wrong of corse, often I am, but I'm 99% certain that is a based on Heller kit. Apologies if I am wrong. edit..Note hopefully I'm way off on this! Edited January 14, 2017 by mirageiv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the link ICMF http://www.greenmats.club/topic/2357-mirage-iv/?page=2 Alexander Pawlygin from Foxbot Decals seems to be the guy preparing the schemes and the decals for this future kit. Foxbot Decals Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/101296316962790/ https://www.facebook.com/Foxbot-Decals-1578150815813829/ V.P. Edited January 14, 2017 by Homebee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDragon Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The IVR/IVP mistake thing could well be because of the confusion between cyrillic and western alphabets. P in cyrillic is an R in English IIRC. Paul Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Thanks for that greenmats link Homebee. This photo from their site shows No 3 /AB, the only one I've seen so guess which one I'll build 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, mirageiv said: I could be completely wrong of corse, often I am, but I'm 99% certain that is a based on Heller kit. Apologies if I am wrong. It'slikely yes. Eastern producers have reverse-engineered a number of kits. Art Model did also (MiG-23UB which derives from the RVA MiG-23MF). I've seen some built Heller kits and it seems to me there may be a something in the relative height of the nose and windscreen: windscreen height too small relative to the nose height. If the same is visible on the incoming kit well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 7 hours ago, Homebee said: IVR designation doesn't exist. IVP is the recce variant, P for Photo. Sorry, but no. Mirage IVA was the initial operation variant. In 1971, 12 airframes were converted to the IVR strategic reconnaissance version, which added the ability to carry the CT-52 pod. In 1979, plans were launched to upgrade 15 airframes to Mirage IVN (Nucléaire) standard. That upgrade program evolved into Mirage IVP (Pénétration); with 18 airframes being upgraded. IVP is the cruise missile variant, not the recce one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 6 hours ago, Laurent said: Eastern producers have reverse-engineered a number of kits. Art Model did also (MiG-23UB which derives from the RVA MiG-23MF). I had always thought that was a collaboration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, ICMF said: Sorry, but no. Mirage IVA was the initial operation variant. In 1971, 12 airframes were converted to the IVR strategic reconnaissance version, which added the ability to carry the CT-52 pod. In 1979, plans were launched to upgrade 15 airframes to Mirage IVN (Nucléaire) standard. That upgrade program evolved into Mirage IVP (Pénétration); with 18 airframes being upgraded. IVP is the cruise missile variant, not the recce one. Sorry but no. it was not a conversion, the modifications was made straight on the production line for the last 12 airframes, to give them the ability to take CT52. But this doesn't came with a designation change, they were still IVA. If you take the pod off of the aircraft, you still had a nuclear bomber, all the recce assets were in the pod. An F-14A equiped with TARPS pod is still an F-14A (ok, with TARPS written above the BuNo). Besides, all the fleet was given the CT52 capacity latter. Edited January 15, 2017 by Antoine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain goat Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 9 hours ago, Laurent said: It'slikely yes. Eastern producers have reverse-engineered a number of kits. Art Model did also (MiG-23UB which derives from the RVA MiG-23MF). I've seen some built Heller kits and it seems to me there may be a something in the relative height of the nose and windscreen: windscreen height too small relative to the nose height. If the same is visible on the incoming kit well... Do you happen to know if anyone has ever found a solution for that windscreen (as the nose can be sanded down)? - I have still to build those Hellers . Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Mountain goat said: Do you happen to know if anyone has ever found a solution for that windscreen (as the nose can be sanded down)? - I have still to build those Hellers . No and I'm not sure there's a complete solution as the whole geometry of the windscreen and canopy profile is different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Rhodes Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Even if it is largely a re-worked Heller kit (and frankly I question from that the limited info), if it has engraved panel lines I will be overjoyed, as I hate detest scribing with enormous passion. So still I'll leave you lot to whinge as much you like about inaccurate windscreens and shapes and this and that! Darren 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Must admit I thought that there was an IVR, or is that just a myth? Spent almost two hours watching these very good documentaries yesterday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 The French Wikipedia page makes no mention of an IVR per se and mentions that all IVA's were eventually altered to take the CT-52 Recon pod. So... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbot Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) On 14.01.2017 at 10:59 PM, Homebee said: Alexander Pawlygin from Foxbot Decals seems to be the guy preparing the schemes and the decals for this future kit. Foxbot Decals Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/101296316962790/ https://www.facebook.com/Foxbot-Decals-1578150815813829/ Yes, It's my work. Third option: Mirage IVP kit will be later. Edited January 23, 2017 by foxbot 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) Test build from the future Mirage IVA (thanks foxbot!) kit. Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/743509305708614/permalink/1353565128036359/ On the Modelsvit Facebook, a company representative has reaffirmed me they're definitely not behind this Mirage IV project... Despite the fact it was displayed alongside the Modelsvit and A&A Models kits this weekend at the Brovary model exhibition 2017 in Ukraine. The mystery deepens. V.P. Edited February 21, 2017 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbot Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's Mirage IVA, not P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Anyone heard anything about this of late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
replicant Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Hello britmodellers, i am glad to be here with you. it looks really as somebody has worked on the old Heller kit. Beside the panel lines, the kit is totally wrong and it should in no way be used as a basis for a new kit. I know, because i worked hard 200 hrs to get a nice model out of that. It was featured in ModellFan magazine 2011/01 and you can find it on scalemates https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mate.php?id=34480&p=albums&album=36537 (i am working on uploading pictures) cheers Edited October 2, 2017 by replicant error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
replicant Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 ...and if there is a manufacturer about to make one, please dont rely on drawings... the radar never was a round circle and the four grand had really a nice belly, and, and ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regulus Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I believe Hannant's no longer list this in Future Releases, or listed with any of their Art Models kits. Anyone have an update? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Has this died or is there any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Confirmed A&A Models - ref.7204 - Dassault Mirage IVA Source: https://www.facebook.com/1048501705294464/photos/pcb.1452321358245828/1452320594912571/?type=3&source=48 Box art V.P. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Wahoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Favorite version of the Mirage 👍 ... Hopefully i can get one someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Even though I've the Heller IVa, depending on how this one reviews, it could get passed on. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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