mirageiv Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Very very nice painting but the underside, arrrr I am sorry to see this. Unfortunately I had the exact same thing happen one time with Gunze Aqueous thinned with Levelling thinner. I left some paint to cure for about 2 weeks, which should be long enough, then masked off and it left these crazy marks everywhere a bit like that. Not sure exactly how similar your problem is but I couldn't sand if off without leaving noticeable marks and anything I tried just made a mess so unfortunately I had to strip all the paint off the model. I really hope you don't have to do this as your F-16 is fantastic so far! I think maybe it was a bad bottle of paint for me, I have not had the problem since but it is annoying when it happens and hopefully you can fix it! David. edit....If you do indeed as last resort have to remove the paint I can show you how I did if if it helps, it was my first time in doing so but it worked out well. Edited February 13, 2017 by mirageiv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share Posted February 5, 2017 Thanks David. I also think it was a old bottle or something. The tape which was on the front part of the fuselage did not affect that paint, so i'm sure the tape is ok. Also the paint on the underside has a gloss finish but it should be satin.. Tonight I will try to fix it.. If it does not work out i will contact you David for your solution with removing the paint. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 that is strange the way the paint went, may be it was a bit old or not mixed 100%. I had slightly similar issues when I was doing some test painting work on the drop tanks of my build. I hadn't used the Leveling solution yet, I was only using an older bottle of Gunze Acrylic with just thinners and it seemed to take forever to dry. With the leveling solution I'm using a 60/40 mix (paint to leveler/thinners), which seems to work quite well, though I've heard 50/50 is the way to go. Hopefully you can strip it but without harming the surrounding areas. Some cotton buds & carefully applied Isopropyl alcohol will do it......that's generally what I use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Small update guys, sprayed the nose and the front of the inlet and made the tail, fod cover and centerline tank blue. Now it's time for the fading of the tail and tank. I only wonder if I will have to use black or dark blue, i.e. Midnight blue seems to be the best choise I guess; Oh, and about the "damage" on the underside; It seems that the gloss finish of the paint has sticked to the tape. A gloss coat of Future should fix things, 2 mates of mine experienced the same and they both came with the Future solution. So I will try that and fingers crossed! Erik Edited February 8, 2017 by Knetterik 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 gee you've achieved a really nice paint finish, she looks great!!! Glad you've found a solution to the underside pint finish, it's nice that you don't have to do any repainting! Good luck with the fading, it'll be interesting to see how it comes out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Decided to ditch the Midnight blue idea and went for the black since blue/black are the colours of 313 squadron. Maybe there is a overkill of black now but the big tigerdecal will cover up most: Erik 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Another update on the tail. I wasn't quite happy with the result, to much black, so I sprayed a different shade of darker blue over the black to more blend in the black and blue. Much better now I think but I'm keen to hear opinions from my fellow modellers; Erik 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 thats doesn't look to bad at all, especially seeing it's a difficult job to do. The second photo of the actual isn't the best help but is there meant to be just a straight fade to the black or is there a darker blue used in the transition? I think you idea of using a second darker blue is the way to go, it does look good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I think a darker blue was used to fade a bit, just like I did. I have to say that the pictures don't show how it looks like as seeing it on my workbench. Will try to make some more better pictures today. Can't wait to start decalling though! Erik Edited February 12, 2017 by Knetterik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Some nice work carried out especially on the tail. Like the colour scheme too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 Some better pictures; Erik 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirageiv Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Excellent painting Erik. I'm glad you didn't have to strip the paint after all, I look forward to the decals going on! David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 very interesting paint work! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 Thanks guys!! The coat of Future did what I was told, it "repaired" the damage; Erik 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hi guys, Started decalling today and already halted to prevent a mental breakdown.... Unfortunately the age of the decals, 23 years, made them very brittle and not very responsive on Micro Sol or DACO strong... the decal for the in flight refuelling point transformed itself in 8 pieces but after some work I did manage to made it look like one piece(and it should be placed some mm's more to the front but I'm afraid to touch it again..) and on the registration bits are missing. The tiger decal will never go on properly in this state.. I think I very much need some Microscale Liquid film!! Or a aftermarket decal set for this Tigermeet Viper but that just does not excist.. Another problem is that on the centerline tank the MicroSol softened the coat of Future.. So a bit of work is needed there.. Erik 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 wow this one is fighting you! I agree with the Microsol, it can be very aggressive at times with the Softener being the worst! Hopefully the liquid film will help solve the issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Chemical reactions.... be afraid of them, always! Sorry for your troubles! Built an F-16 many many years ago , put some metallic noseweight into the -nose and glued everything together.... the next day the nose has molten!!! By the way, your paint and decaling work look excellent! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Ouch with the decals, nothing worse than putting a decal into water or onto your model and watching it come apart.. Hope that the rest go on a bit better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Well guys, as expected, the tiger decals for the tail did not went on without a fight. Luckily Microscales liquid decal film prevented the decals from tearing but it added a extra film (offcourse) which added some thickness. So the decal need some repairing on some places. Lucky enough Hasegawa offers some extra decals in the box in case the builder did not wanted to paint the tail in blue/black which I can use as donor material. Also the decal softener again affected the coat of Future.. Never had so much trouble with decalling before... And the FOD cover: The small tiger came from the spares box, a bit more yellow than the tiger on the tail but it still looks nice. Erik Edited February 26, 2017 by Knetterik 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 great job with the decalling Erik, I can't imagine it would have been a simple job at all! She looks super cool! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Nicely done with the tail decals. I know from experience how difficult it can be to apply decals like these. Well done and keep up the good work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftScience Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Very nice saves on the decals, Erik. I'm afraid the 30 year old decals in my Hasegawa F-16 may have similar problems. I will spray them with film as you did. A question for you. Do Dutch F-16 not have the walkway decals on top? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 11 hours ago, SoftScience said: Very nice saves on the decals, Erik. I'm afraid the 30 year old decals in my Hasegawa F-16 may have similar problems. I will spray them with film as you did. A question for you. Do Dutch F-16 not have the walkway decals on top? They do, I just have to place them 😉 Problem is they are so brittle, already ruined one.. Even with the liquid decal film... afraid I have to search for replacements.. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Leijdens Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Finally some luck with decals! Have used walkway decals from another Hase F-16, also 23 years old decals but no tearing/disintegrating here! A bit different colour than they should be but who cares, they do the job; Now some more decal repairing to do and after that sealing the whole girl with another coat of Future and a subtle panel wash. Erik Edited February 27, 2017 by Knetterik 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirageiv Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Looking very nice Erik, the walkways look quite subtle than maybe some other decal manufacturers which is a good thing imho. cheers David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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