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8 hours ago, Gondor44 said:

The bomb load that you are attempting to have this aircraft has me worried. I have a copy of "The Lancaster Manual", "RAF Museum Series" which shows a total of fifteen locating points for bomb carriers, three abreast per row with five rows, of which the middle location in the bomb bay is reserved for 1 x 4,000lb or 1 x 8,000lb bombs only. This is on page 153 of the above publication. Is it possible that the reference you are quoting for a load of 11 x 1,000lb and 4 x 250lb bombs is incorrect having been incorrectly copied or entered into the records wrongly?

 

Gondor

 

I did wonder whether it was right, or maybe a typo, but the O.R.B. for 514 Sqn lists the same bomb-load for all their Lancasters for that particular mission - 11 x 1,000lb M.C. plus 4 x 500lb G.P. Indeed they used the same load on the previous 'Op' two day prior to that. I got a copy of the DVD Night Bombers which shows a Lancaster being bombed up, and in the row with four bombs the middle pair are mounted on a double bomb rack, mounted on a cross beam. You can just make it out on the second photo Jari posted above this post.

 

7 hours ago, Finn said:

My guess is the 4 250lbs bombs were in the second row, 4 across as in the other pics, probably to maintain the center of gravity. So you would have 3 (1K), 4 (250), 2 (1K), 3 (1K) and 3 (1K).

 

Jari

 

Thanks Jari. I think you may be correct. I did find this photo which shows the four smaller bombs (looks like 2 x 250lb and 2 x 500lb) in the second row, although it is loaded with a 'cookie' too.

 

pic-lanc-groundcrew6.jpg

 

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8 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I did wonder whether it was right, or maybe a typo, but the O.R.B. for 514 Sqn lists the same bomb-load for all their Lancasters for that particular mission - 11 x 1,000lb M.C. plus 4 x 500lb G.P. Indeed they used the same load on the previous 'Op' two day prior to that. I got a copy of the DVD Night Bombers which shows a Lancaster being bombed up, and in the row with four bombs the middle pair are mounted on a double bomb rack, mounted on a cross beam. You can just make it out on the second photo Jari posted above this post.

 

 

Thanks Jari. I think you may be correct. I did find this photo which shows the four smaller bombs (looks like 2 x 250lb and 2 x 500lb) in the second row, although it is loaded with a 'cookie' too.

 

pic-lanc-groundcrew6.jpg

 

Simon

 

I didn't know about that "beam" myself I was simply going by the mounting points for the bomb cradles as per the manual. I does make the bomb load interesting though your going to have to get inventive to depict that double mounting on the central point.

 

Gondor

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The thing with the bombs is that the carrier was modified on the central lug two accept two bombs by linking the bomb release on the single attachment of the bomb-bay.

I have seen a photo in one of the 'Lancaster At War' series so that was how it was done.

You are absolutely right in that there are only 15 winch positions in the Lancaster bomb-bay :thumbsup:

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Kind of ironic I found your post ,  my uncle W. E. Egri was rear gunner on LL716 when it went down .

Cheers !  would like to see pics of finished model .

 

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So, after a somewhat longer hiatus than I anticipated, I'm back with a quick update. Apologies for the delay - another project got ever so slightly out of hand and took (and is still taking) about 10 times longer than anticipated!

 

Anyway...the glazing has been remasked and repainted, and worked much better this time, so that has allowed me to get the three turrets ready and painted. Here the nose turret:

 

Lancaster-II-150

 

Lancaster-II-152

 

Upper turret:

 

Lancaster-II-151

 

Lancaster-II-148

 

and the tail turret:

 

Lancaster-II-149

 

Lancaster-II-153

 

I'm busy masking off the red trestle marking lines on the undersides of the wings, fuselage and tailplanes, so that's next up. Then hopefully I can get the checklist of bits to finish ticked off one by one...!

 

More soon,

 

Cheers

 

Simon

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Some more progress to report. The red trestle markings under the wings, tails and fuselage have been masked:

 

Lancaster-II-154

 

and painted with Revell's Aqua Carmine Red:

 

Lancaster-II-155

 

Lancaster-II-157

 

Lancaster-II-156

 

The kit's decals will be chopped up to go in the gaps, then they may need toning down once they're on. Took about an hour of masking for both wings, the tailplanes and the fuselage, but I hate decalling walkways and trestle markings.

 

I've also got hold of another of Airfix's Bomber Command Re-supply sets, and now have a full bomb load, painted up ready for some weathering:

 

Lancaster-II-158

 

Amazon had a bit of a mare with the Re-supply set, and DPD ended up delivering an empty box :doh:, but they sorted it out PDQ and sent out another one with something actually in it! BTW I think Airfix could be on a winner if they did 'overtrees' and sold Sprue D separately with just the tractor, 500lb and 1000lb bombs on it, but never mind.

 

More soon...

 

Simon

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36 minutes ago, Bell209 said:

Masking the walkways in 1/72? That's skill!

 

Thanks - not so much skill as patience, a steady hand, and good eyesight...!

 

I find decalling walkways a right faff-on, as they never seem to go on straight, so it's actually easier to paint 'em for me.

 

Simon

 

 

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What can I say? Just more superlative work going on here. This one is going to be a show stopper!

 

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Excellent work, Simon! Some day (he says hopefully) I'll get back to my Lancaster B.II (along with my other half-built Lancaster family aircraft).

 

Regards,

 

Jason

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Another quick update, and (yet) another problem to get sorted... :doh:

 

The bomb load has been decalled up:

 

Lancaster-II-159

 

and as RAF bombs often seemed to look a bit on the scruffy side, they've also been weathered:

 

Lancaster-II-160

 

Meantime, I thought I'd give the fuselage sides a coat of gloss in preparation for adding the decals for the roundels and codes. I used a thinned down coat of Humbrol Clear and this happened:

 

Lancaster-II-161

 

Lancaster-II-162

 

I did the wings at the same time, and nothing went wrong with them, so I've no idea what the issue was. Never had this with the 'new' Humbrol Clear either. :shrug:

 

Easily solved, but could have been a bit of a disaster. Ho hum...

 

More soon...

 

Cheers

 

Simon

 

 

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Nice job ! Congratulations, I like the painting.

Beautiful cockpit and bombs bay.

 

Is the first time that I see this problem with the clear coats Humbrol... I use always the clear Gunze and I never had problems 

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Another day...another issue to get round...

 

I'd had trouble finding fuselage serials that were the right sixe - 514 Squadron used slightly smaller letters than the standard size for their A2-X codes, about 42 inch. So, I found some red 1/48 27" letters on the Fantasy Printshop website which would be ideal.

 

Just applied them, and they're very translucent which, on a black fuselage side, isn't exacly ideal - compare them to the Airfix roundel and Xtradecal serials:

 

Lancaster-II-165

 

Here's one of the letters with a sheet of white paper under part of it, and you can see how translucent they are:

 

Lancaster-II-163

 

I'd assumed they're be underprinted with a white base layer to make them opaque. I dropped FP an e-mail to see if this is how they'd actually been produced, and to their great credit they replied with half an hour, and said they're an old design that wasn't underprinted, to save costs. Bit of a pain, so on to Plan B, which looks to be using slightly over-sized 1/72 48" codes.

 

Cheers

 

Simon

 

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Found an old and very yellowed Modeldecal sheet of 48" x 24" RAF codes in amongst my spare decals, so tried a quick experiment to see if they could be cut down clightly to make shorter letters:

 

Lancaster-II-166

 

I think they'll work fine, and Xtradecal make them now as XD72210, so I've ordered a couple of sheets.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Simon said:

... they're an old design that wasn't underprinted, to save costs.

 

WHAT! Let's hope the accountant's don't have another round of savings or they'll be even more completely useless!

Pain indeed Simon, let's hope the Xtradecal ones are good enough to go on your excellent model :) 

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27 minutes ago, CedB said:

 

WHAT! Let's hope the accountant's don't have another round of savings or they'll be even more completely useless!

Pain indeed Simon, let's hope the Xtradecal ones are good enough to go on your excellent model :) 

 

Yes, I was a little surprised, and more than a little disappointed.

 

However, lesson learnt, and I'm 100% sure that the Xtradecal ones will be prefectly fine once a little 'chopping and changing' to get the right sizes has gone on.

 

Simon

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Another quick update for today...

 

While I was aiting for replacement decals for the problematic FP ones, I thought I'd look up LL716 in some reference books, to see what history it had. Seems it was with 115 Sqn before joining 514 Sqn, which means it would have had the 115 Sqn codes overpainted and replaced the 514 Sqn ones. In for a penny, in for a pound...:banghead:

 

I masked off the areas where the codes would be, making sure the edges weren't too straight:

 

Lancaster-II-167

 

Lancaster-II-168

 

and overpainted the areas with a more solid, newer-looking coat of black:

 

Lancaster-II-170

 

Meanwhile the Xtradecal codes had arrived, so I set about chopping sections out them to shorten their height. Here the port side on, with a sample of their original size to campare to:

 

Lancaster-II-172

 

You can still see the joins, but a couple of coats of DACO's decal-setting solution should sort them out. Once they've been coated, I'll leave them for a day or so to bed in, and then on to the bomb bay. Meanwhile, it's the Northern Model Show at North Shields tomorrow, so I'm looking forward to getting down there...

 

More soon...

 

Cheers

 

Simon

 

 

 

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Nice work on the trestle markings, much neater and realistic than decals. The bombs look great too, nice and worn. Good touch on overpainting effect with the newer black.

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Another update for today...

 

I've got all the bomb racks installed in the bomb bay, and I test-fitted the bomb load to make sure it would fit okay:

 

Lancaster-II-173

 

Lancaster-II-174

 

That done, time to add some wings and the horizontal taiplanes and make it start to look like an aeroplane, at last. The fit of both wings and tailplanes wasn't 100% perfect, and took a little bit of fettling to get them on.

 

Lancaster-II-176

 

Now they're on, I've done some weathering on the upper surfaces, as R.A.F. Erks seemed to have mucky boots and Lancasters often seemed to have particularly scruffy upper wings where the groundcrew went about their work:

 

Lancaster-II-178

 

Lancaster-II-175

 

So, I think I'm getting there. More soon...

 

Cheers

 

Simon

 

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