72modeler Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Steve N said: I'm just glad the CADs show the nose glazing correct. Hasegawa totally botched it on their B-25J. SN Missed that observation- have to pull one of my kits and see what the nose looks like. Off the top of your head, what were the nose issues as you saw them? ( Site adm,-Sorry if this is off-topic- start a new one?) Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishKiwi Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 The final 1/72 scale B-25 frontier. It is great to see the C/D version in a modern guise. Beats the old Italeri model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve N Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 20 hours ago, 72modeler said: Missed that observation- have to pull one of my kits and see what the nose looks like. Off the top of your head, what were the nose issues as you saw them? ( Site adm,-Sorry if this is off-topic- start a new one?) Mike Well, firstly they got the escape hatch framing on the left side wrong. The real deal.. ..and Hasegawa's rendition. And what's worse, Hasegawa molded the inaccurate escape hatch on both side of the nose, when it should only be on the left. Again, here's what it should look like.. ..and here's the Hasegawa nose. The left side is fixable with a bit of work, but the right side is hopeless. The frames can't simply be sanded off, as they're engraved. And even then, the lower edge of the glass has a step, where it should be a straight line. Obviously Hasegawa simply got lazy and mirrored the CAD data when they designed the kit. The made the same bonehead mistake on their B-24D, molding the cheek gun window on both sides of the nose, when it should only be on the left. Fortunately that's an easy fix. It amazes me how a big-name company like Hasegawa can produce beautiful, state-of-the-art kits, but make ridiculous basic design errors. SN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Steve N said: Well, firstly they got the escape hatch framing on the left side wrong. The real deal.. ..and Hasegawa's rendition. And what's worse, Hasegawa molded the inaccurate escape hatch on both side of the nose, when it should only be on the left. Again, here's what it should look like.. ..and here's the Hasegawa nose. The left side is fixable with a bit of work, but the right side is hopeless. The frames can't simply be sanded off, as they're engraved. And even then, the lower edge of the glass has a step, where it should be a straight line. Obviously Hasegawa simply got lazy and mirrored the CAD data when they designed the kit. The made the same bonehead mistake on their B-24D, molding the cheek gun window on both sides of the nose, when it should only be on the left. Fortunately that's an easy fix. It amazes me how a big-name company like Hasegawa can produce beautiful, state-of-the-art kits, but make ridiculous basic design errors. SN I see what you mean, Steve. Hadn't really looked hard at my Hasegawa/Revell B-25's as they're not on my immediate 'build' list. I think I'll see how the italeri nose transparency compares, although, IIRC, there is an issue with the cross-section and shape of that one, too. Guess I will also pull out my Falcon/True Details transparencies and see well they stack up against the Hasegawa kit. Might be better to wait and see how well the one on the new Airfix kit will be and make a vacform copy for a glass-nosed Hasegawa J. I agree with your comments regarding silly mistakes- with the current scanning and measurement technology, numerous original or faithfully restored examples to study, and countless detail photos, there really isn't an excuse not to produce an accurate, well-engineered kit. Maybe the people involved are so far removed in age and/or experience that they've never been up close and personal with the real article, either static or in flight. There is a big difference between making a model compared to making a replica. Thanks for the time and trouble you went to in answering my question! Mike We have my friend and modeling mentor, Bob Angel, to thank for the new Airfix kit, as he has been working on a B-25C conversion using the Hasegawa J and the Italeri C/D for quite a while. The last time he did something like this, he took one of the old Frog Ventura test shots and built a beautiful PV-1...then Academy released one that while certainly not without its faults, was light years ahead of the Frog kit! I had been telling him to hurry up with his conversion so we can have a new release- he is NOT amused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old thumper Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 When I buy this kit I won't dna test it's genes, I will just build it or most likely add it to the stash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveCromie Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 And once again the Britmodeller posse shows the incredible depth of knowledge and the willingness to share that knowledge to its truest extent. Thank you to everyone for posting such detailed information on the B-25 from a complete newb to the type All the best DC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 *crossing fingers for a PBJ-1J with wingtip radar pod* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelglue Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 3 hours ago, k5054nz said: *crossing fingers for a PBJ-1J with wingtip radar pod* Not likely from a C/D kit, but I feel the same: Oh yes. But just in case Airfix doesn't do naval, I retained the parts from the Italeri kit to slap into the new plastic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Even that sounds cheaper than tracking down the Hasegawa kit! I'm not well-informed with Mitchells and their variants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 16 hours ago, k5054nz said: *crossing fingers for a PBJ-1J with wingtip radar pod* IIRC, Loon Models and Airkit did a1/72 PBJ radar pod in resin, but I'm pretty sure they are both OOP. I started a PBJ conversion years ago, using the Italeri B-25C/D, and IIRC, I used a reshaped tip tank from a Hasegawa F9F Panther. It was actually pretty easy. Maybe QB will do one when the Airfix kit comes out, along with the rectangular package gun pods that some of the PBJ's carried. Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, 72modeler said: IIRC, Loon Models and Airkit did a1/72 PBJ radar pod in resin, but I'm pretty sure they are both OOP. I started a PBJ conversion years ago, using the Italeri B-25C/D, and IIRC, I used a reshaped tip tank from a Hasegawa F9F Panther. It was actually pretty easy. Maybe QB will do one when the Airfix kit comes out, along with the rectangular package gun pods that some of the PBJ's carried. Mike Mike West at Lone Star Models (http://www.lonestarmodels.com/index.html) makes the both the gun packs and radar pod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just now, Chuck1945 said: Mike West at Lone Star Models (http://www.lonestarmodels.com/index.html) makes the both the gun packs and radar pod Forgot all about Mike's website! Thanks for the reminder! Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just got an e-mail notice saying the kits have arrived at the warehouse and should be shipping soon. Regards, Murph 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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