Murray Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Hey guys, just an update on one of my latest builds. An Airfix Harrier GR1 in Norwegian winter camo colours. I've only seen a painting of a GR1 in winter camo and a small grainy picture on an Xtradecal sheet. It's not finished yet. I used the normal dark sea grey and green combo, then applied some maskol over the green then white washed over the green. The majority of the Harriers that I've seen in this colour scheme were GR3's - their whitewash in tatters. Still have to do the decaling (does anyone know if they would remark the stencil data on over the white wash? If you could let me know I'd be massively grateful!) I'm going to paint the roundels on, the dark blue of the roundel would look out of place I think, then just sticking the landing gear and rocket pods on! The Airfix kit is pretty good, very good at it's price point. The panel lines are crisp and it has good wheel well and cockpit detail. My only complaint about the kit is the edges of some parts are a little over rounded. So this leads to some nasty joins, namely the nose cone and the... thing sticking out the very back I have no idea what it's called. I'm reasonably happy with how it's turning out, only thing is that I made a harness out of greenstuff two part putty, I must have crushed it and not noticed, then it dried. It sort of looks like the pilot would have been held into his seat my an enormous sausage link. What do you's think? Anyone got any experience in snowy GR1's? Cheers! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossofiron1971 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Very nice!!! Love the chipping effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Crossofiron1971 said: Very nice!!! Love the chipping effect... Thanks man! Maskol and white washing are a match made in heaven 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Not loving the fat seatbelts but everything else looks fantastic Some thin masking tape or plastic sheet would have made more effective seatbelts or even going with the Eduard etched brass detail set. The worn paintwork effect is wonderful and looks realistic. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Col. said: Not loving the fat seatbelts but everything else looks fantastic Some thin masking tape or plastic sheet would have made more effective seatbelts or even going with the Eduard etched brass detail set. The worn paintwork effect is wonderful and looks realistic. Well done. Same, they looked pretty good right up until they got squished. Even had buckles! I probably will just stick to using tamiya tape in the future. Thanks all the same man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 No worries Forgot to say, with regard to the stencils, only national and unit markings/codes were painted around so any stencil data on the green areas would have been covered by the white from what I understand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) In the cockpit the long seat straps are totally wrong for the GR1 Aircraft. The long straps were retrofitted onto GR3 T2/4 aircraft in 1981 and never featured on GR1 aircraft. The strap system used was a combined harness system, the pilot wore a jacket affair and two short lift web straps went from the seat over his shoulders and attached to the jacket in the upper chest area using a koch fastener system. If you download this http://www.martin-baker.com/_pdfs/history_development_mk1-mk10_ejection_seats.pdf martin baker manual (a very good read by the way!) scroll down to the picture of a mk 9 seat on page 38, although a Jaguar version of the Mk 9 seat, you can see details of the strap system used on all RAF Harriers (and Jaguars!) Prior to 1981. Selwyn Edited January 5, 2017 by Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Col. said: No worries Forgot to say, with regard to the stencils, only national and unit markings/codes were painted around so any stencil data on the green areas would have been covered by the white from what I understand. Excellent, cheers man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christer A Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Col. said: No worries Forgot to say, with regard to the stencils, only national and unit markings/codes were painted around so any stencil data on the green areas would have been covered by the white from what I understand. Thanks, that might just allow me to finish my winter GR.3... Sorry about the derailment Murrodels! Your Harriet looks bloody excellent so far ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Selwyn said: In the cockpit the long seat straps are wrong. The long straps were retrofitted onto GR3 T2/4 aircraft in 1981 and never featured on GR1 aircraft. The strap system used was a combined harness system, the pilot wore a jacket affair and two short lift web straps went from the seat over his shoulders and attached to the jacket in the upper chest area using a koch fastener system. If you download this http://www.martin-baker.com/_pdfs/history_development_mk1-mk10_ejection_seats.pdf martin baker manual (a very good read by the way!) scroll down to the picture of a mk 9 seat on page 38, although a Jaguar version of the Mk 9 seat you can see details of the strap system used on all RAF Harriers Prior to 1981. Selwyn My mistake, interesting about the jacket though! Nice one thanks, will be sure to give it a look over. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Christer A said: Thanks, that might just allow me to finish my winter GR.3... Sorry about the derailment Murrodels! Your Harriet looks bloody excellent so far ! Thanks man! I'll see how noticeable the mutant seat belt is once the canopy is on, maybe take a dremel to it and sort it out. Good luck with your GR3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hey guys! Been some time since an update, I started a new WiP thread for this build because I'm an idiot. It showed some roundel painting.... And most recently I masked up the tail markings... Which will get a lick of paint tonight in the same red/blue as the roundels. I was wondering, does anyone know whether the plane serial number on the sides of the fuselage have a greyed in box? Or was it painted around when the whitewashing went on? Grey box.... Whitewashed around? Thoughts? I'm aware they're not GR1's. But it seems to be used to pretty interchangeably between them. Cheers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 My understanding is that the serials were whitewashed around, leaving a box, sometimes it looked quite rough though. There are some nice pics on the net of GR.1s in winter scheme, will try and find a link Nice looking build going on there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 3 hours ago, 71chally said: There are some nice pics on the net of GR.1s in winter scheme, will try and find a link Really? The vast majority of whitewashed harriers I've found are GR3's. I've only seen a painting of a GR1, I must not be looking hard enough! Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Sorry, for some reason the pictures in my mind were of GR.1s but they are in fact 3s, http://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=RAF Harriers in snow camouflage&imgt=0 By way of apology I've tried looking around, but you're right, there isn't much out there on the web, these threads contain some small images http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?104636-Post-Your-Harrier-Pictures http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?111514-Photos-of-Harriers-in-Norway-please http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205117867 Despite that side illustration of '09, the white paint was hard edged and brushed on, I've never seen in photographs the serial number being applied over the white temporary paint. Generally speaking, where the white was applied the areas around the roundels, serials, and sometimes unit markings and codes was just painted around. Edited March 8, 2017 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrobeson Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 There are definitely pics of whitewashed Gr.1s in my reference library, I'll try to dig through them tomorrow for you. The white wash was painted around the serials, so usually there'd be a green box around the serial, but it was not masked off, so very rough. Matt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 7:23 PM, 71chally said: Sorry, for some reason the pictures in my mind were of GR.1s but they are in fact 3s, http://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=RAF Harriers in snow camouflage&imgt=0 By way of apology I've tried looking around, but you're right, there isn't much out there on the web, these threads contain some small images http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?104636-Post-Your-Harrier-Pictures http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?111514-Photos-of-Harriers-in-Norway-please http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205117867 Despite that side illustration of '09, the white paint was hard edged and brushed on, I've never seen in photographs the serial number being applied over the white temporary paint. Generally speaking, where the white was applied the areas around the roundels, serials, and sometimes unit markings and codes was just painted around. Hey! thanks for these links. They confirm what Mrobeson (massive thanks) sent, so I'm going to box around the 'K' at the top of the tail above the fin marking, as it is white. The registration number on the belly is going on straight over the top as if it'd been whitewashed around. Sorted! Thank you both! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 So, that's it more or less done! The video build is put together and uploading now. All is well. Certainly took long enough! Here it is.... More to follow tomorrow! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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