1/72 P.1000 Ratte German Mega-Tank - Modelcollect

[Radleigh]

On ‎08‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 10:53 PM, Mike said:

Now if someone did one on 1:35, I would be really, really happy, but that won't happen... will it?

 

Like me Mike, you like them big... I have to say, if we got one in 35th I'd be tempted!

[Joona]

Well, I tend to think big. Then realise the utter futility, but this I am gonna pull through.

 

I do trust Modelcollect delivers, although I also trust they are always a year or half late. While waiting for the actual model release, I have plenty of other kinda s*it to keep me ccupied. I consider a Ratte as a battlegroup or task force, so it will need "picket ships" in the form of E-50 tanks. The original plans or whatever called for two sidecar motorcycles as scouts. I upped the ante and decided to have two Flettner Kolibri helos as scouts and forward observers. Beefed up to have a 20mm autocannon and panzerblitz rockets to make them actually scout/attack helos with IR sights. But be warned. The RS Models Kolibris are only for masochists or someone utterly devoted to the cause. The suckers have more flash than actual parts.

 

Also fire control (würtzburg) radars here and there to support Wasserfall SAMs in VLS silos and Kugelblitz turrets. I am tempted to use Brit Seacat quad missiles intead, as this is "what if" anyway. And lots and lots of antipersonnel / light vehicle "infinite repearters" as they are called in Keith Laumer's Bolo books.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_(tank)

 

Also two Opel Blitz fuel bowsers, and a whole load of softskin vehicles and figures. Autumn, sometime in 1946 or 47. Autumn just because I like ruska (Finnish word having nothing to do with Russians).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn_leaf_color

 

This will be a whole table diorama, but fortunately we have plenty of room(s).

 

 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Joona
just typos

[Madoc]

Modelcollect is making steady progress on this beauty!

 

 

[Guest]

Lots of pics and vids of the testshots on their facebook page.

 

https://m.facebook.com/Modelcollect/?ref=nf&hc_ref=ARRMYdLpakC1vtjCJ2IHsu89sK3FGQk3lIER6Osr8ETLr55-Q4GA7U44P9M-fjhI6hc

[fewr9fkr9595]

Wow!

 

However, for me, the moveable tracks and wheels puts it in grey area between static display model and a toy? Perhaps because its huge they won’t have to sacrifice detail for ‘playability’ as normally one area loses out...

[Sgt.Squarehead]

£85 worth of fail.....  kit of a  subject.

 

Model collect are a waste of space IMHO, borderline nazi-fetishists.

[TIGER HOBBIESLIMITED]

With on line games like world of Tanks and various Film and games with Nazi Zombies these IMHO are linked with ScFi, the general Modelcollect Blue Print Panzers are selling as good as the standard Russian actual models, so some one is buying them.

And while someone is buying them someone will make them.  Next Year if the Movie Panzer 88 is made this will drive sale of this stuff even higher, also Sky progs Nazi Mega structures are also fueling interest in all thing Nazi Maddness. 

 

Not my cup of tea either, but as a business man and importer of plastic kits only a complete fool would turn the business down.

[Joona]

On 1/18/2018 at 10:37 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

£85 worth of fail.....  kit of a  subject.

 

Model collect are a waste of space IMHO, borderline nazi-fetishists.

You are of course free to state your opinion, Sir. Interesting you call it a "sh*t kit" as it hasn't been released yet. Excpet for some crude CGI drafts.

Modelcollect makes also high quality Soviet and Russian models? Does that make you a neo-stalinist or Czar Putinist fethisist? Or does it bug you they are Ukrainian? Oh no! I have built dozens of finely molded Soviiet and Russian models. Now I'm doomed!

Oh, never mind...

Edited January 22, 2018 by Joona
Afterthought

[Chillidragon]

On ‎07‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 7:15 PM, Procopius said:

 

Worse than useless in the fight against Godless Communism^TM.

So what's worse - denial of God's existence (e.g. Communists of the Marxist flavour - other socialist models are available) or claiming that you have his mandate (e.g. Mujahedin, Crusaders, Momzer Deitsherim with 'Gott mit Uns' on their belt buckles)?

 

Now; the subject proper:

 

Yes, this vehicle was part of Groyfats' delusions, and such is a valid part of documenting the history of this madman and his attempt to destroy several peoples - including his own. 

His modern day followers and apologists (and these are increasing) who would like us to believe that these technological monuments, large or small, prove that he was on for victory if only he had more time are the ones mistaken, not historians; whether they choose to document their interpretation of history by the written word, or in model form.

And that is what we are, esteemed comrades of every genre and scale; historians whose mode of expression is visual, from a process satisfyingly tactile.  And, most of all, creative.

Edited January 22, 2018 by Chillidragon

[Mike]

No politics please gents.  It's good humoured now, but that seldom lasts.

[ICMF]

On 1/18/2018 at 5:12 AM, Tony Oliver said:

However, for me, the moveable tracks and wheels puts it in grey area between static display model and a toy? 

 

Moveable/functional suspensions are becoming fairly common in 1/35 armour, from a number of the big names.  I'm not sure if it's meant to make it easier for diorama builders, showcase molding precision, or has just become a fad because everyone else is doing it.  IIRC, it started with some of the newer Chinese companies, so it could be a detail that appeals to the domestic market (the way many aircraft kits come with detailed jet engines).

 

[Joona]

59 minutes ago, ICMF said:

 

Moveable/functional suspensions are becoming fairly common in 1/35 armour, from a number of the big names.  I'm not sure if it's meant to make it easier for diorama builders, showcase molding precision, or has just become a fad because everyone else is doing it.  IIRC, it started with some of the newer Chinese companies, so it could be a detail that appeals to the domestic market (the way many aircraft kits come with detailed jet engines).

 

I don't care so much about rolling wheels and tracks. But a working suspension with linked tracks instead of the dreaded rubber band ones I prefer for various things:

 

1) It gives me a more realistic lesson on how these things actually worked (if done well, like in some Miniart models). Which is always interesting regardless of the not so nice purpose these machines were made for.

 

2) It makes it much easier to place one more convincingly on an uneven ground in a diorama.

 

3) Face it, separate track links look much better.

 

Around seventies as a kid I had this huge Airfix 1/24 mother of a RAF Harrier with a detailed Pegasus engine, nozzles working and everything. And you could take off the wings and open other hatches to show the engine. So it is nothing new, really.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Joona
Typos

[Joona]

My deepest apologies. I often get these two mixed up. Miniart is the Ukrainian, not Modelcollect.

 

my mistake.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Joona
Typos again. My mistake. Maybe I should sleep once in a week.

[Procopius]

3 hours ago, Chillidragon said:

So what's worse - denial of God's existence (e.g. Communists of the Marxist flavour - other socialist models are available) or claiming that you have his mandate (e.g. Mujahedin, Crusaders, Momzer Deitsherim with 'Gott mit Uns' on their belt buckles)?

My comment was entirely tongue in cheek, as I'd rather hoped the ^TM made clear. 

[Sgt.Squarehead]

5 hours ago, Joona said:

You are of course free to state your opinion, Sir. Interesting you call it a "sh*t kit" as it hasn't been released yet. Excpet for some crude CGI drafts.

Modelcollect makes also high quality Soviet and Russian models? Does that make you a neo-stalinist or Czar Putinist fethisist? Or does it bug you they are Ukrainian? Oh no! I have built dozens of finely molded Soviiet and Russian models. Now I'm doomed!

Man I must have been in a right paddy when I typed that.....Probably been trying to order T-55 bits (don't ask). 

 

I still think it's a silly kit, but actualy I wouldn't completely rule out me buying one. 

[Joona]

2 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Man I must have been in a right paddy when I typed that.....Probably been trying to order T-55 bits (don't ask). 

 

I still think it's a silly kit, but actualy I wouldn't completely rule out me buying one. 

No prob at all. To each his own. Sorry for my snark.

 

But funny you mentioned T-55 tracks. I was waiting for a loong time for the Miniart T-54 Mod. 1951, as there were none on the market of that exact model. As it was my dad's tank  in his conscript service in armour. Wished to make it as a gift for Yule, but it came a bit too late to build it properly. Maybe a Midsummer Night gift. Been a bit busy lately and will be.

 

And, heh, in case you wonder, Finland was never a Warsaw pact country. But due to realpolitik we had to play neutral and buy half of our weapons from the east and half from the west. Not so anymore after the Soviet Union collapsed. And this ai'nt a political argument. Just explaining why T 54/55s. Nowadays Leopard 2A6s.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Joona
Brain fart

[Albeback52]

5 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Man I must have been in a right paddy when I typed that.....Probably been trying to order T-55 bits (don't ask). 

 

I still think it's a silly kit, but actualy I wouldn't completely rule out me buying one. 

.Probably is a bit silly actually but, I rather like silliness - especially these ;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MODELCOLLECT-1-72-SCALE-WWII-GERMAN-E75-VIERFUBLER-RHEINTOCHTER-R1-KIT-UA72113/362219057093?hash=item5455f02fc5:g:B5YAAOSwrslaYzSd

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Modelcollect-1-72-Kits-Fist-of-Wars-German-WWII-E75-Heavy-Panzer-UA72107/282810081802?hash=item41d8cb620a:g:BysAAOSwz~paQ-hx

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MODELCOLLECT-1-72-SCALE-FIST-OF-WAR-WWII-GERMAN-E75-HEAVY-PANZER-KIT-UA72107/362219054311?epid=9013433220&hash=item5455f024e7:g:SQQAAOSw86JaYzOZ

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MODELCOLLECT-UA72109-1-72-German-E-100-Panzer-WITH-Flak-40-Zwillingsflak/292414954402?epid=19012050180&hash=item44154a1ba2:g:00QAAOSwtKVaYbGT

 

Sorry but, I just could not resist!!

 

Allan

[Sgt.Squarehead]

That's a big part of my proplem with all this Panzer/Luft 46 garbage.....There still isn't a 1/72 Panther Ausf A that's worth the effort of assembling, yet they can waste their time on that drivel (and let's make no mistake about it, it's drivel with neo-nazi roots).

[Joona]

35 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

That's a big part of my proplem with all this Panzer/Luft 46 garbage.....There still isn't a 1/72 Panther Ausf A that's worth the effort of assembling, yet they can waste their time on that drivel (and let's make no mistake about it, it's drivel with neo-nazi roots).

Yes, sir. It is evident you do have a problem. Ever heard of science fiction modeling? You think everything that is speculative fiction involving nazi technology is somehow neo-nazi? If I build a model of a Cylon raider, does it make me a Cylon?

 

I suggest you lighten up a bit, and grab a copy of the Finnish SciFi movie Iron sky. If you think that is pro nazi, I must say I am truly astonished, SIR! Er, sergeant. At ease.

 

Here, have a bite:

 

 

 

[Sgt.Squarehead]

I love that film. 

 

I used to be the sci-fi reviewer here. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making any accusations towards modellers here or elsewhere, but the origins of 'Luft 46' (Panzer not so much) and 'Nazi UFOs' are very murky indeed, fact. 

 

PS - I was going to add a 'Have you ever heard of?' of my own.....But I won't publicise or link to neo-nazi publications, current or defunct, on this or any other forum. 

 

[SleeperService]

16 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

I love that film. 

Sequel coming along nicely. Now all they need to do is stop adding more to it and get it released.

I think the Hannebau crew members were great.

BOT this is a commercially viable kit according to the manufacturers and is no more silly than many, many other kits and figures, especially figures. I doubt very much that anybody of sound mind will think building a German, Russian or whoever subject makes any statemet about their political sympathies. If that were so then the world would be a lot safer.

[Sgt.Squarehead]

No arguments with that, my issue is not with modellers as I said and my issue with the model companies catering for them is limited only to annoyance that they will turn out drivel while leaving much more important (and real) subjects uncatered for (this suggests that they believe Panzer 46 to be more profitable than WWII and that IMHO is worrying on several fronts).....But my issues with (neo-)nazis know no limits. 

 

Let me add a qualifier here.....My nephew is eleven, he is a massive WoT fan (sad to confess I got him into it, although I don't play it myself).  He also has access to my reference library, yet I constantly have to explain to him that most of these tanks would only ever see each other in a museum if at all, never ever on the battlefield, in many cases due to their total non-existence.  This drivel can have a negative influence on those too naive to realise that they are being influenced, or too inexperienced to check facts, leaving them vulnerable to the propoganda all too frequently found in assosciated chatrooms.

[Joona]

27 minutes ago, SleeperService said:

Sequel coming along nicely. Now all they need to do is stop adding more to it and get it released.

I think the Hannebau crew members were great.

BOT this is a commercially viable kit according to the manufacturers and is no more silly than many, many other kits and figures, especially figures. I doubt very much that anybody of sound mind will think building a German, Russian or whoever subject makes any statemet about their political sympathies. If that were so then the world would be a lot safer.

Personally, I am waiting for the release to build just some insanely huge funny motherf*ucker with E-75 "picket ships" and other support vehicles, like bowsers, additional flakvierlings (they sure gonna need those), a Kolibri scout helo... And of course dozens of crew and staff buzzing around. Some in more or less amusing (but realistic) situations playing cards, in a smoke ring, drinking confiscated vodka, carrying stuff around.

 

Now, as you all prolly know it is really hard to find figures not in combat poses, but just doing that everyday stuff. I surfed the net long and hard till I found the Germania Figuren Ardennen series. Really exquisite detail for 1/72 and perfect late war flecktarn gear. You can even see the teeny weeny stick of a smoke in one's hands.

 

This will be a lifetime project, but I don't have to work anymore, as unfortunately my rich real estate investor wife died prematurely and I am the only heir. Sad. I miss her terribly But maybe I'll get a laugh of this.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Joona

[nes4day]

Just thought I would mention something, while it's not entirely related to the P.1000, Albeback52 has posted some of the up and coming Model Collect walker kits, and Sgt. Squarehead has mentioned the over emphasis on Luft/Wehr'46 and wunderwaffles, I just wanted to say that Model Collect is doing the walkers as part of their 1/72 Fist of Wars series figure as part of a gaming (tabletop maybe) set they are collaborating with a Japanese company for. Currently announced including, German Walkers, Soviet Walkers, a fake P.300 heavy tank and the P.1000 is considered to be informally part of this series. Based on other announcements, it's likely US and Japanese walkers/fictional '46 vehicles will be released in the future as well (regrettably nothing British related has been announced as of yet).

 

I know some of the guys at Model Collect, and their product (WWII amor mostly) appeal to a lot of the tabletop community which is why they've been looking to branch out, but their main focus will remain to be real life vehicles. I should also mention one of the Model Collect guys mentioned on a Chinese forum that the P.1000 started off as a semi joke, but as development on other models progressed (namely the E-100 series) and increased interest, they decided to proceed with making the actual thing.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2018 by nes4day
Spell checks and grammar, it's too early and I still need coffee

[Joona]

6 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

I love that film. 

 

I used to be the sci-fi reviewer here. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making any accusations towards modellers here or elsewhere, but the origins of 'Luft 46' (Panzer not so much) and 'Nazi UFOs' are very murky indeed, fact. 

 

PS - I was going to add a 'Have you ever heard of?' of my own.....But I won't publicise or link to neo-nazi publications, current or defunct, on this or any other forum. 

 

Jawohl, Herr Scarführer.

 

Still not making any political statements, but it is an amazing coincidence again we are or were both editors and reviewers. I used to be a game reviewer for the prominent Finnish computer games mag Pelit, which also had occasional movie reviews if they fit the scene well enough. Which means I got acquainted with lots of game and movie people around the world. Well, at least had a few pints with them. When Samuli and Timo were still struggling to get Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning finished, I had to convince the chief ed practically on my knees this thing is worth a story. And these guys will grow up from silly schoolboy humour to something greater. Perhaps not as grand as Peter Jackson with his Bad Taste.

 

I admit In the Pirkinning or Iron Sky were not the greatest blockbusters rivaling LOTR, but they sure were worth believing in. I also believe they are gonna be a few years late as always, but they always do deliver. For better or worse. Maybe it is 'cos the guys booze even harder than me and need occasional detox to get back to work (just kidding). It is also an issue of budget. Around here a budget of 10 million euros is considered a major event. But it is also about production values. In Hollywood a lot goes into thin air with no real work or talent involved. One of the reasons BSG was done in Canada, but you know it as what you are or were. More bang for the buck.

 

That aside, I do not think the model companies have any political motives. As nes4 told, the Modelcollect Ratte started as a kinda joke. I like jokes. Especially bad ones. The plot for Iron Sky started to form in sauna with some copious amounts of beer with a kind of contest "who has the craziest idea for the next movie?" If one sees political motives in that, I am afraid that has to be in one's own mind. Or has got a heatstroke. Modelcollect is just delivering what people want to buy. If one doesn't want to, anyone is free not to.

 

As for your kid, I am nobody to tell you how to raise others' children. But I would suggest a good talkdown and ridiculing and laughing off the real neo-nazi bull instead of condemning it. As a father of a young woman of 25 studying now to be Frau Doktor Mengele, for me laughter always worked better. But so much for kitchen psychology and smalltalk spam.

 

Finally back to the subject. They finally (almost) released the deck guns set for the bolo... excuse me, the Ratte. I don't really know what to think of it. On the other hand, it smells like releasing the weapons set separately is a scam to get one pay even more. On the other, it might be taken as a favour to build these while waiting for the chassis to be completed. I don't care, really. I am happy to build these little nasties while waiting.

 

http://www.modelcollect.com/wwii-germany-landcruiser-p1000-ratte-weapon-set-pack

Edited January 24, 2018 by Joona