MalX Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 hi i'm building the Nose Art Mustang right now before i return to the B17G, i've had her before; about a month ago but i messed her up. this one i'm going to spray the wing in Light grey (laminar flow) and the rest of her in Aluminium, this should be an interesting kit. the top photo shows what the wing looks like, i'm not going to get too fussy over this, it'll be a light grey close to polish Aluminium in colour. the chequered nose decal is total rubbish, so the nose i'll spray yellow and cut the red squares out of a spare red transfer.....i've already painted the spinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warhawk Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Please post Your model builds in the "Work in Progress - Aircraft" section. Also, I recommend starting a topic when You have some pictures of the model in progress to show. Regarding the P-51 wings, I have to point out a slight correction: the P-51's wings were not painted grey, but silver to hide the puttied seams. It should look different from the rest of unpainted aluminium fuselage. Regards, Aleksandar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelh Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Yes I was lucky enough to have had a good close up look around several P51s this year at Oshkhosh. You can literally touch them. Most had the puttied wings. Those which were finished more or less authentially show a distinct difference in tone between the natural metal and painted wings but I think light grey wouldn't look right. However it might be better than P51 models I've seen with perfectly painted inaccurate natural metal wings. Looking forward to seeing the end result. I can't get enough Mustangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) mine is painted now i chose mid/light grey !!!! maybe it's too dark, but it's not quite as dark as these photos, i highlighted the panel detailing yesterday...............i'll do more with Acylic weathering later on. it's very hard to spray in this cold weather, but she's got 5 coats of gloss Acrylic to seal the Metalcote, plus already rubbed down................so she's now quite strong and knock resistant the nose decal will be a nightmare, because it was last time, this is the next thing to do after the weathering.................Cockpit needs touching up etc etc...................BUT THE WORST PART IS DONE. i had to use the Badger 200 for the metalcote, because my new Badger Renegade got blocked up instantly, it's too delicate for Humbrol paints and your Acrylics need to be very thinned down too, but it does give a perfect weathering spray, if i mess up the weathering it's easy to wipe off the shiny laquer when it's dry, so the nest part will be really enjoyable. (water and paint only, no matt laquer in it, because if so you cant wipe it off the next day if you dont like it) Edited December 30, 2016 by MalX 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Lovely metalcote, but that grey...(and the rudder)...... Never in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) i'll lighten up the wing colour with a spray wash, but it's definitely not Aluminium colour..............the rudder i'm not sure because on the box artwork above it looks light grey, that's really easy to change though Edited December 30, 2016 by MalX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 This is all you need to know about Mustangs, from people who own or maintain them. The wings were filled in factory and painted with silver lacquer. http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/21362-mustang-wings-and-panel-seams/ Although TF51GregWise has left the forum and edited his posts out, there is enough info for you to finish the perfect Mustang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) ok thanks, i've redone her in a light battleship grey, she looks miles better.....the lightness/tone is about right it just needs a thin coat of aluminium, but not enough to hide the grey.............then weathering and polishing i'll do this next week . http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=339&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=248&Temp=2714&searchString= Edited December 31, 2016 by MalX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Working with the usual acrylics ranges, my preferred solution for 1/48 or 1/72 alumunium lacquer that needs to contrast with natural metal is a 50:25:25 mix of aluminium, white and gloss varnish. That works a treat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 yea but it's too late now m8, i've masked off the wing panels to highlight a lighter shade of grey, like i did with the fueselage.........the aluminium ``tint`` will have to be sprayed over tomorrow................i've already mixed it up, it's gloss varnish, thinners and about 5% Metalcote. if this looks rubbish i'll strip the wings and repaint it from scratch, this model is a pain i wish i never bothered with this silly flipping wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 That's her with with the panelling, it aint looking good that wing needs wet and dry tomorrow and the rest of the model covered in Copydex ........................because metalcoat over that grey wont work, it'll go too Aluminium.......it's bound too i have no metalcoat left so it'll take 5 days to arrive from ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) happy new year i managed to spray 2 coats of light grey tinted metalcoat, the wing looks much better, it has strange shiny tint and at certain angles it looks like Aluminium, esp in direct light, but if you turn it away from the light it still looks grey.........a final dusting with light pure metalcoat might get it, but WOW it's hard. Edited January 1, 2017 by MalX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 look at the weathering on the underside ..............wow that's a mess, but it's great for hiding faults in the Metalcote look at the radiator area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 You know, I think you might get away with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) .............i've got it ! she looks really good, but that is soaking wet i cant touch her again till later tonight...........it's humbrol aluminium mixed with gloss lacquer/thinners ........ it took 3 attempts to get right, the first 2 coats were too thick and hid the grey. Edited January 2, 2017 by MalX 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) i've had to repaint the fueselage from scratch, the copydex mask left a sharp edge behind, i'll put the panelling back in tomorrow, cockpit will need repainting too the vertical rudder fin is now Aluminium, i dont like it, but i'm guessing that's what she looked like ( not light grey)............she now looks like a brand new Mustang fresh off the assembly line ...........but that wont last long because she looks totally unrealistic clean, i must not touch her till tomorrow, it'll take flipping hours to cure !!! the weathering should be good fun....................the worst weathering topside appears to be that large panel underneath the cockpit..........then of course we have a real mess on her underside around the radiator, i bet the underside was also covered in dirt splattered up from her wheels, she should look damned good. the best model i ever weathered was the Millenium Falcon from Star Wars, what a brilliant model that was ! Edited January 2, 2017 by MalX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, MalX said: look at the weathering on the underside ..............wow that's a mess, but it's great for hiding faults in the Metalcote look at the radiator area Note the different appearance of the landing gear doors, fuel tank covers, and flaps and ailerons, compared to the rest of the wing. These were not puttied and would be bare metal, unlike the surfaces that were filled and painted silver. There were also panels on the upper surface of the wings that were not filled and painted, with the gunbay access doors and panel surrounding the gunports being exceptions, IIRC. The P-51 SIG has very good text and diagrams showing the areas that were filled and painted. I will try to find that diagram and post it, if it would help. Just found the diagram and photos I was alluding to; I have posted the link below. Hope it helps! http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?s=f4ce704971f70b491a59344d5719ecf5&showtopic=40939 Mike Edited January 2, 2017 by 72modeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) yes thanks, that Tamiya mustang is brilliant but too expensive.............the Hasegawa kit is very old and structurally weak, you have to be careful it doesn't crack at the glue joints......you can only get mine from the U.S.A yes the underside looks all the same, the important point is the filthy weathering, esp the rad and tail wheel, i bet the underside was never cleaned that well in wartime because they look like that in Google photos too !!!!!! the best Humbrol colour for the puttied finish looks like normal Aluminium, which compared to Metalcote looks very flat and grey, but i decided not to use it.....too late, i opted for a bright Aluminium tint , not metalcote because they didn't have it in the shop................when the metalcoat arrives i will use it to highlight some panels esp the flaps etc................i'll only weather the fueselage tomorrow. the fuesalage right now has a much brighter finish than polished metalcote........but that wont last long Edited January 2, 2017 by MalX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Blecky Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I find this post quite interesting and think it will add some valuable information for the next time I build a Mustang - thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wm Blecky said: I find this post quite interesting and think it will add some valuable information for the next time I build a Mustang - thank you! for me it's trial and then error because Aluminium paint is a TOTAL nightmare to work with, because your biggest enemy is dirt in the paint and when the damned Airbrush starts spitting .............my B17G Texas Raiders is miles easier to paint than this. if i was going to tackle another mustang again, i'd therefore do one in Green, i'd make ``Passion Wagon``............in fact, anything with a naked woman on the side i'm no expert modelmaker like these guys, but my advice is with bare metal:- your looking to pick out and highlight panels............but not too many or it'll look too obvious what you're doing, finally, weathering is your friend with Aluminium because it'll hide those annoying paint faults Edited January 2, 2017 by MalX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwart Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Some pics,not mine but from the Jeff Ethell library and just used for illustration purposes. Tails :- P-51b's fresh looking and in the States ETO Wings :- Early production D Stateside ,shows the tail nicely and the wings filled/sprayed to just aft of the main wing spar,look at the contrast in finish on the wings. A D in the field,again the contrast between natural metal and sprayed wing and rudder.Look at how flat the wings have become and how much untreated areas stand out (blue lines). A well worn B/C wing . Edited January 3, 2017 by Gwart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanroon Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Polish the grey with some aluminum powder. I bought mine as 'Aluminium Lining' from an art shop. Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwart Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 A D wing (ETO ) again lots of wear on the wing and the contrast between treated/ untreated part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwart Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Don't forget you can mute down the wing colour with some post shading/weathering and scratches of aluminium and rub wear/staining.Also various varnishes mattin,gloss a satin mix for different area's post or prior to decalling. My attempt at the same on an Airfix 1/72 kit. I need to blend the gun access panels into the surrounding colour as they were painted also. It's a matt varnish finish that i've rubbed with my robe,next steep is to weather it all. Edited January 3, 2017 by Gwart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalX Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 thanks for that wings and underside are done photos later, camera needs recharging..................fueselage tomorrow, the rudder fin is a definite grey tone, so a wash of light grey should get close to that. the fueselage isn't that weathered so i'll pick out 4 panels on each side.........the fueselage is now darkish so i'm after a very bright Aluminium to add contrast.............but i might wait for the Metalcoat because i think that's the brightest of all..not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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