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Can anyone help?  I don't have an airbrush (yet) but I am getting quite good with rattle cans.

 

I am trying to find the right colours - either from Humbrol or Tamiya cans for a typical BF109 Battle of Britain era "Splinter Scheme" - the humbrol pot list is as follows...

  • 31 - Slate Grey
  • 65 - Aircraft Blue
  • 117 - US Light Green

The problem is they only offer them as "tinlets"

 

I have found this link https://www.emodels.co.uk/download/AS-chart.pdf to the Tamiya aircraft spray range but haven't got a clue which cans to go for - though some do say Luftwaffe - I am not sure what I'm doing :newb:

Any help in pointing out the best matches would be greatly appreciated :thanks:

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36 minutes ago, Plasto said:

Hi,

 

Try the following Tamiya cans.

 

AS 13

TS 5

AS 5 

 

HTH

 

Plasto...

 

 

 

Thank You Sir - It certainly helps :cheers:

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Well my rattle cans arrived today - the AS5 is absolutely spot on - but the AS13 & TS5 are virtually identical dark green in colour.

 

I still need a "rattler" that will simulate what Humbrol refer to as their 31 "slate grey".

 

Any further suggestions would be much appreciated.:please:

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Don't know if this helps - it's for my own reference really..

 

bit it funny format but I think it comes across...

 

Colour    BS#    Xtracrilix.    Tamiya    "ANA Equivalent Bulletin #157 Sep '43"    FS#    Xtracrilix.    Tamiya
FAA    
Dark Slate Grey     34096    XA1025    XF11+63    613 Olive Drab    34130    XA1113    XF62
Extra Dark Sea Grey    36099    XA1005    XF24    603 Sea Grey    36118    XA    XF54
Light Slate Grey (counter shading colour)    34159    XA1037    XF65                    
Dark Sea Grey (counter shading colour)    36118    XA1004    XF54                    
Medium Sea Grey    36270    XA1003    XF53                    
Sky 'S'    34424    XA1007    XF21    610 Sky    34424          
Gloss Sea Blue         XA1121    XF17    623 Gloss Sea Blue    15042     XA1121    XF17
Sky Grey (Pre/Early war)    36463    XA1015                         
Light Green (Pre/Early War)    34102                              
Dark Green (Pre/Early War)    34079                              
Roundel Red    31350                              
Identification White    37778                              
Identification Yellow    33538                              
Identification Green    34187                              
Identification Blue (Dull)    35044                              
Identification Red (Dull)    30109                              
RAF    
Dark Green.         XA1001    XF61                    
Dark Earth         XA1002    XF52                    
Ocean Grey         XA1006    XF54                    
Medium Sea Grey    36270    XA1003    XF53                    
Common    
Grey Green Primer (cockpits)    34226    XA1010                         
Trainer Yellow         XA1011    XF5                    
Night Black         XA1012    XF1                    
Light Grey         XA1139    XF14                    
Chromate Yellow         XF4                         
Acrylic Thinners         X20a                         
Flat Base         X21                         
Clear         X22                         
Gun Metal         X10                         
Chrome Silver         X11                        

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Yeh - my other 109 kit arrived this morning & the splinter scheme colours on that are very similar tonewise - but the other kit definitely suggests the quite light looking - SLATE GREY

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12 minutes ago, bobmig said:

Without knowing the kit or instruction sheet, I suspect the SLATE GREY is supposed to represent RLM 02. Would Tamiya AS29 be close? (I'm just going by an on-screen image... never seen it it person)

Good Call Bob - I'll send for some - Its described s grey green.

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Lovely build Garry - the darker green looks spot on for me - the lighter green looks a bit "green" for my build - but if I was building to your higher standards - \i would be well pleased - :goodjob:

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I'll qualify first that I've not used Tamiya rattle cans. I do use their acrylics and an airbrush.  

 

If if I were to use Tamiya AS paints for a Luftwaffe build I'd use:

- RLM 65: AS5

- RLM 70: AS13 or AS17 in a pinch. This is Black Green and should be a very dark green. To my eye it's a blueish green. AS17 looks too green to me, but I've used "IJN Dark Green" as a substitute for RLM-70 in the past, but it's their bottle paint and is a very dark blue green. 

- RLM 71: AS9 or AS14. This is Dark Green and is not much different than RAF Dark Green so use a color that looks good for that. 

 

If you plan to weather, wash or otherwise adjust the colors once painted, you should be fine with 5/13/9. 

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2 hours ago, Greenshirt said:

I'll qualify first that I've not used Tamiya rattle cans. I do use their acrylics and an airbrush.  

 

If if I were to use Tamiya AS paints for a Luftwaffe build I'd use:

- RLM 65: AS5

- RLM 70: AS13 or AS17 in a pinch. This is Black Green and should be a very dark green. To my eye it's a blueish green. AS17 looks too green to me, but I've used "IJN Dark Green" as a substitute for RLM-70 in the past, but it's their bottle paint and is a very dark blue green. 

- RLM 71: AS9 or AS14. This is Dark Green and is not much different than RAF Dark Green so use a color that looks good for that. 

 

If you plan to weather, wash or otherwise adjust the colors once painted, you should be fine with 5/13/9. 

Thanks for trying to offer some help - I really do appreciate it.. However what you say still leads to 2 dark green shades - not this much lighter SLATE GREY that humbrol quote - but only offer in tinlets - sorry to sound ungrateful - I don't seem to be getting anywhere - but I do appreciate everyone's help.

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Humbrol are suggesting Slate Grey instead of RLM 02.

Tamiya does RLM02, as does Humbrol, but only in brush-on paint it appears.

RLM02 is a GreenishGrey, Humbrol 31 Slate Grey is a plainer grey.

The closest to these in Tamiya sprays is either

AS28 Medium Grey

AS29 Grey Green IJN [a bit lighter]

TS67 IJN Grey

or Humbrol rattle cans of

27 Sea Grey or

64 Light Grey [not very light, a medium grey]

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3 hours ago, BIG X said:

Thanks for trying to offer some help - I really do appreciate it.. However what you say still leads to 2 dark green shades - not this much lighter SLATE GREY that humbrol quote - but only offer in tinlets - sorry to sound ungrateful - I don't seem to be getting anywhere - but I do appreciate everyone's help.

Ok, I misunderstood you; I thought you wanted the 70/71/65 scheme. This appears to be the 71/02/65 or 70/02/65 scheme...

 

RLM 02 is a greenish grey, warm with almost a khaki look to it. In a rattle can I don't see anything close in Humbrol, but AS11 may be "close enough"; whereas AS29 looks to be the interior grey green used by the RAF (or at least a close approximation). It should be close in color to an IJN grey used on early Zeros, so AS2 may be a close enough paint as well. For comparison, when at the Tamiya paint rack, look for a spray paint that is close to XF22 but warmer (with some khaki added) or to XF76 grey green. 

 

Browse Halfords paints as well, they may have a color that's close enough. 

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7 hours ago, Black Knight said:

Humbrol are suggesting Slate Grey instead of RLM 02.

Tamiya does RLM02, as does Humbrol, but only in brush-on paint it appears.

RLM02 is a GreenishGrey, Humbrol 31 Slate Grey is a plainer grey.

The closest to these in Tamiya sprays is either

AS28 Medium Grey

AS29 Grey Green IJN [a bit lighter]

TS67 IJN Grey

or Humbrol rattle cans of

27 Sea Grey or

64 Light Grey [not very light, a medium grey]

 

3 hours ago, Greenshirt said:

Ok, I misunderstood you; I thought you wanted the 70/71/65 scheme. This appears to be the 71/02/65 or 70/02/65 scheme...

 

RLM 02 is a greenish grey, warm with almost a khaki look to it. In a rattle can I don't see anything close in Humbrol, but AS11 may be "close enough"; whereas AS29 looks to be the interior grey green used by the RAF (or at least a close approximation). It should be close in color to an IJN grey used on early Zeros, so AS2 may be a close enough paint as well. For comparison, when at the Tamiya paint rack, look for a spray paint that is close to XF22 but warmer (with some khaki added) or to XF76 grey green. 

 

Browse Halfords paints as well, they may have a color that's close enough. 

BINGO!!!  Thanks guys & a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR to both of you - you have saved my sanity :yahoo:

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17 hours ago, Garry c said:

Airfix 1/72 Bf110 painted with Tamiya AS23,AS24,AS5, panel lines filled with dust.

 

Nice build - you even got the sharkmouth decal to behave! 

 

I take it you sanded back the upper nacelles where they overlap the flaps?

 

Cheers,

 

Andre 

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6 hours ago, Hook said:

 

Nice build - you even got the sharkmouth decal to behave! 

 

I take it you sanded back the upper nacelles where they overlap the flaps?

 

Cheers,

 

Andre 

Thanks, this was my first build that was not OOB. The soft,thick plastic of Airfix let me sand back the nacelles, round out the upper rear fuselage, and reshape the propellers.

My first attempt to fill some panel lines(trenches) and correct  the ailerons and other missing panels.Added shell chutes and scratch built interior which cannot be seen.

The transfers were awful and silvered badly with the Matt coat, rubbing them with my fingers till they were raw got rid of the silvering.

Finished with pastel powders for exhaust stains.

 

Garry c

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