BIG X Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Can anyone help? I don't have an airbrush (yet) but I am getting quite good with rattle cans. I am trying to find the right colours - either from Humbrol or Tamiya cans for a typical BF109 Battle of Britain era "Splinter Scheme" - the humbrol pot list is as follows... 31 - Slate Grey 65 - Aircraft Blue 117 - US Light Green The problem is they only offer them as "tinlets" I have found this link https://www.emodels.co.uk/download/AS-chart.pdf to the Tamiya aircraft spray range but haven't got a clue which cans to go for - though some do say Luftwaffe - I am not sure what I'm doing Any help in pointing out the best matches would be greatly appreciated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Hi, Try the following Tamiya cans. AS 13 TS 5 AS 5 HTH Plasto... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 Plasto - what a hero!!! - I will give them a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 36 minutes ago, Plasto said: Hi, Try the following Tamiya cans. AS 13 TS 5 AS 5 HTH Plasto... Thank You Sir - It certainly helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Well my rattle cans arrived today - the AS5 is absolutely spot on - but the AS13 & TS5 are virtually identical dark green in colour. I still need a "rattler" that will simulate what Humbrol refer to as their 31 "slate grey". Any further suggestions would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 rattle rattle bump - HELP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beema Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Don't know if this helps - it's for my own reference really.. bit it funny format but I think it comes across... Colour BS# Xtracrilix. Tamiya "ANA Equivalent Bulletin #157 Sep '43" FS# Xtracrilix. TamiyaFAA Dark Slate Grey 34096 XA1025 XF11+63 613 Olive Drab 34130 XA1113 XF62 Extra Dark Sea Grey 36099 XA1005 XF24 603 Sea Grey 36118 XA XF54 Light Slate Grey (counter shading colour) 34159 XA1037 XF65 Dark Sea Grey (counter shading colour) 36118 XA1004 XF54 Medium Sea Grey 36270 XA1003 XF53 Sky 'S' 34424 XA1007 XF21 610 Sky 34424 Gloss Sea Blue XA1121 XF17 623 Gloss Sea Blue 15042 XA1121 XF17 Sky Grey (Pre/Early war) 36463 XA1015 Light Green (Pre/Early War) 34102 Dark Green (Pre/Early War) 34079 Roundel Red 31350 Identification White 37778 Identification Yellow 33538 Identification Green 34187 Identification Blue (Dull) 35044 Identification Red (Dull) 30109 RAF Dark Green. XA1001 XF61 Dark Earth XA1002 XF52 Ocean Grey XA1006 XF54 Medium Sea Grey 36270 XA1003 XF53 Common Grey Green Primer (cockpits) 34226 XA1010 Trainer Yellow XA1011 XF5 Night Black XA1012 XF1 Light Grey XA1139 XF14 Chromate Yellow XF4 Acrylic Thinners X20a Flat Base X21 Clear X22 Gun Metal X10 Chrome Silver X11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Thanks for that - appreciated - but I am looking for rattle cans - either Tamiya or something similar in Humbrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 IIRC there wasn't a huge difference tonewise between RLM 70 and 71, at least when I used Vallejo equivalents.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Yeh - my other 109 kit arrived this morning & the splinter scheme colours on that are very similar tonewise - but the other kit definitely suggests the quite light looking - SLATE GREY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmig Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Without knowing the kit or instruction sheet, I suspect the SLATE GREY is supposed to represent RLM 02. Would Tamiya AS29 be close? (I'm just going by an on-screen image... never seen it it person) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, bobmig said: Without knowing the kit or instruction sheet, I suspect the SLATE GREY is supposed to represent RLM 02. Would Tamiya AS29 be close? (I'm just going by an on-screen image... never seen it it person) Good Call Bob - I'll send for some - Its described s grey green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry c Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Airfix 1/72 Bf110 painted with Tamiya AS23,AS24,AS5, panel lines filled with dust. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Lovely build Garry - the darker green looks spot on for me - the lighter green looks a bit "green" for my build - but if I was building to your higher standards - \i would be well pleased - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenshirt Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I'll qualify first that I've not used Tamiya rattle cans. I do use their acrylics and an airbrush. If if I were to use Tamiya AS paints for a Luftwaffe build I'd use: - RLM 65: AS5 - RLM 70: AS13 or AS17 in a pinch. This is Black Green and should be a very dark green. To my eye it's a blueish green. AS17 looks too green to me, but I've used "IJN Dark Green" as a substitute for RLM-70 in the past, but it's their bottle paint and is a very dark blue green. - RLM 71: AS9 or AS14. This is Dark Green and is not much different than RAF Dark Green so use a color that looks good for that. If you plan to weather, wash or otherwise adjust the colors once painted, you should be fine with 5/13/9. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Greenshirt said: I'll qualify first that I've not used Tamiya rattle cans. I do use their acrylics and an airbrush. If if I were to use Tamiya AS paints for a Luftwaffe build I'd use: - RLM 65: AS5 - RLM 70: AS13 or AS17 in a pinch. This is Black Green and should be a very dark green. To my eye it's a blueish green. AS17 looks too green to me, but I've used "IJN Dark Green" as a substitute for RLM-70 in the past, but it's their bottle paint and is a very dark blue green. - RLM 71: AS9 or AS14. This is Dark Green and is not much different than RAF Dark Green so use a color that looks good for that. If you plan to weather, wash or otherwise adjust the colors once painted, you should be fine with 5/13/9. Thanks for trying to offer some help - I really do appreciate it.. However what you say still leads to 2 dark green shades - not this much lighter SLATE GREY that humbrol quote - but only offer in tinlets - sorry to sound ungrateful - I don't seem to be getting anywhere - but I do appreciate everyone's help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 OK - this is a tiny picture - but it shows what I am talking about... As you can see it is not a two tone dark green scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Humbrol are suggesting Slate Grey instead of RLM 02. Tamiya does RLM02, as does Humbrol, but only in brush-on paint it appears. RLM02 is a GreenishGrey, Humbrol 31 Slate Grey is a plainer grey. The closest to these in Tamiya sprays is either AS28 Medium Grey AS29 Grey Green IJN [a bit lighter] TS67 IJN Grey or Humbrol rattle cans of 27 Sea Grey or 64 Light Grey [not very light, a medium grey] 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenshirt Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 hours ago, BIG X said: Thanks for trying to offer some help - I really do appreciate it.. However what you say still leads to 2 dark green shades - not this much lighter SLATE GREY that humbrol quote - but only offer in tinlets - sorry to sound ungrateful - I don't seem to be getting anywhere - but I do appreciate everyone's help. Ok, I misunderstood you; I thought you wanted the 70/71/65 scheme. This appears to be the 71/02/65 or 70/02/65 scheme... RLM 02 is a greenish grey, warm with almost a khaki look to it. In a rattle can I don't see anything close in Humbrol, but AS11 may be "close enough"; whereas AS29 looks to be the interior grey green used by the RAF (or at least a close approximation). It should be close in color to an IJN grey used on early Zeros, so AS2 may be a close enough paint as well. For comparison, when at the Tamiya paint rack, look for a spray paint that is close to XF22 but warmer (with some khaki added) or to XF76 grey green. Browse Halfords paints as well, they may have a color that's close enough. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Black Knight said: Humbrol are suggesting Slate Grey instead of RLM 02. Tamiya does RLM02, as does Humbrol, but only in brush-on paint it appears. RLM02 is a GreenishGrey, Humbrol 31 Slate Grey is a plainer grey. The closest to these in Tamiya sprays is either AS28 Medium Grey AS29 Grey Green IJN [a bit lighter] TS67 IJN Grey or Humbrol rattle cans of 27 Sea Grey or 64 Light Grey [not very light, a medium grey] 3 hours ago, Greenshirt said: Ok, I misunderstood you; I thought you wanted the 70/71/65 scheme. This appears to be the 71/02/65 or 70/02/65 scheme... RLM 02 is a greenish grey, warm with almost a khaki look to it. In a rattle can I don't see anything close in Humbrol, but AS11 may be "close enough"; whereas AS29 looks to be the interior grey green used by the RAF (or at least a close approximation). It should be close in color to an IJN grey used on early Zeros, so AS2 may be a close enough paint as well. For comparison, when at the Tamiya paint rack, look for a spray paint that is close to XF22 but warmer (with some khaki added) or to XF76 grey green. Browse Halfords paints as well, they may have a color that's close enough. BINGO!!! Thanks guys & a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR to both of you - you have saved my sanity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 17 hours ago, Garry c said: Airfix 1/72 Bf110 painted with Tamiya AS23,AS24,AS5, panel lines filled with dust. Nice build - you even got the sharkmouth decal to behave! I take it you sanded back the upper nacelles where they overlap the flaps? Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry c Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Hook said: Nice build - you even got the sharkmouth decal to behave! I take it you sanded back the upper nacelles where they overlap the flaps? Cheers, Andre Thanks, this was my first build that was not OOB. The soft,thick plastic of Airfix let me sand back the nacelles, round out the upper rear fuselage, and reshape the propellers. My first attempt to fill some panel lines(trenches) and correct the ailerons and other missing panels.Added shell chutes and scratch built interior which cannot be seen. The transfers were awful and silvered badly with the Matt coat, rubbing them with my fingers till they were raw got rid of the silvering. Finished with pastel powders for exhaust stains. Garry c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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