Hudson I question

[ReccePhreak]

I have the Italeri 1/72 Hudson Mk. IV/V (kit 1253). Can it be made into a Hudson Mk.I without TOO much hassle, or should I look for the Revell AG 1/72 Hudson Mk.I kit?

I want to do the recce Hudson Mk.I shown in the Warpaint book, on page 3 (N7357). Of course, I still have to figure out which paint I can find here to match the Light Slate Grey finish mentioned.

 

Larry

[Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies]

You can get Light Slate Grey here

http://www.hbhobbies.com/collections/royal-air-force-fleet-air-arm-british/products/acrn05-light-slate-grey-bs639

[Graham Boak]

Basically it needs replacement engines.  Cyclones (with appropriate cowlings) have been available in the past from Red Roo and from Flightpath, I believe, and possibly from others.  It would be worth a look on their websites.

[Steve N]

Are the Flightpath engines the same as the old DB Resins set?  If so, you'll need to scratch or scrounge the carburetor intakes.  I have the old DB set..it's intended for the Airfix Hudson I, and you're supposed to use the kit intake parts.  Nothing in the P&W-engine kits would really be adaptable.  I don't know if the oil coolers underneath the nacelles were the same on the Wright Cyclone and P&W versions or not.  You might want to find an old Airfix Hudson somewhere cheap and rob the necessary parts, although the cowls aren't quite the correct shape.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Steve N

[ben_m]

I have a built but not painted MPM version of the kit (sold as a mk.i), it is a pig to wrestle into correct alignment/fit. i think the italeri boxing is the same plastic, and should have the earlier engines. Also a solid nose for making a lodestar.

[DaveCS]

24 minutes ago, ben_m said:

I have a built but not painted MPM version of the kit (sold as a mk.i), it is a pig to wrestle into correct alignment/fit. i think the italeri boxing is the same plastic, and should have the earlier engines. Also a solid nose for making a lodestar.

I recall attempting the MPM Mk I when it was released - and I would concur with Ben's conclusion - it's a pain in the b-o-t-tom to get fit and alignment well.  I also have the Italeri kit which I'm holding off on until I have mastered the Zen art of patience......

Edited December 21, 2016 by DaveCS

[Fernando]

Hi, ReccePhreak,

Look closely, the appropriate engines and cowlings should be in there, on some sprue, if I remember correctly.

 

Fernando

Edited December 21, 2016 by Fernando

[RJP]

To be clear, it's not the engines in the MPM kit that are the problem, it's the cowlings.  

 

I have the MPM Hudson I/II (but not the IV/V) parts laid out in front of me.  Both the Wright R-1820s for the Mk I and the P&W R-1830s are provided and from reviews this seems also to be the case with the Mk IV/V kit.  The cowlings in the I/II are only for the Wrights and in the Mk IV/V kit only for the P&Ws.

 

The I/II has a number of parts evidently meant for other variants including the later exhausts and, it seems, intakes.

 

 

[ReccePhreak]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

Hi, ReccePhreak,

Look closely, the appropriate engines and cowlings should be in there, on some sprue, if I remember correctly.

 

Fernando

Hi Fernando,

 

I opened my sealed bags to check, and compared it to the pics on the Britmodeller review here:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234938436-hudson-mk-iii-patrol-bomber-172-revell/

 

My kit is missing the left hand sprue that has the rounded cowlings.

 

I was so stoked, until I saw this.  

I guess I still have to buy the Revell kit, if I can find one for a fair price.

 

Larry

[ReccePhreak]

On 12/20/2016 at 8:58 AM, SovereignHobbies said:

You can get Light Slate Grey here

http://www.hbhobbies.com/collections/royal-air-force-fleet-air-arm-british/products/acrn05-light-slate-grey-bs639

Thanks for that info. At least I now have a US source for the paint.

 

Larry

[ReccePhreak]

On 12/20/2016 at 9:14 AM, Graham Boak said:

Basically it needs replacement engines.  Cyclones (with appropriate cowlings) have been available in the past from Red Roo and from Flightpath, I believe, and possibly from others.  It would be worth a look on their websites.

I looked at the Red Roo sight, no joy there. 

David J. Parkins still lists the Lockheed Hudson Cyclone engines, but I see the slot for the upper intake, but no mention of it coming with the needed intake. I don't know if the Italeri kit intake will work. At least it's a MUCH cheaper option than trying to buy a Revell or MPM Hudson Mk.I/II kit from overseas. That's the only place I have been able to find them, so far.

Larry 

[ReccePhreak]

On 12/20/2016 at 4:11 PM, Steve N said:

Are the Flightpath engines the same as the old DB Resins set?  If so, you'll need to scratch or scrounge the carburetor intakes.  I have the old DB set..it's intended for the Airfix Hudson I, and you're supposed to use the kit intake parts.  Nothing in the P&W-engine kits would really be adaptable.  I don't know if the oil coolers underneath the nacelles were the same on the Wright Cyclone and P&W versions or not.  You might want to find an old Airfix Hudson somewhere cheap and rob the necessary parts, although the cowls aren't quite the correct shape.

Good questions. I don't even know if the Flightpath set will fit my Italeri kit or not, much less needing any modifications.

 

Larry 

[Graham Boak]

The engines in their cowlings basically stick on the front of the nacelles, so nothing will be required other than perhaps a spacer.  The intake may be another matter, you may have to work on a couple of lengths of sprue.

[rossm]

If you are feeling patient I have an MPM kit spare but will not be able to get my hands on it until sometime in January as it's in Norfolk and I'm in Cornwall just now (oh, the joys of living in two places). I'd want what I paid for it retail as it's not on my 'for sale' list but it's low down my build list and I have a part built Airfix kit with the resin nacelles if I feel I suddenly want a Hudson so I'm happy to let it go if you would like it.

[825]

On 20/12/2016 at 2:48 PM, ReccePhreak said:

I have the Italeri 1/72 Hudson Mk. IV/V (kit 1253). Can it be made into a Hudson Mk.I without TOO much hassle, or should I look for the Revell AG 1/72 Hudson Mk.I kit?

I want to do the recce Hudson Mk.I shown in the Warpaint book, on page 3 (N7357). Of course, I still have to figure out which paint I can find here to match the Light Slate Grey finish mentioned.

 

Larry

 

I think Light Slate Grey was only used in the shadow scheme Temperate Sea Scheme, i.e. On the lower wings of biplanes. Monoplanes would be in straight Temperate Sea Scheme, Extra Dark Sea Grey and Dark Slate Grey  over Sky undersides. If you really need Light Slate Grey, Hannants do it in both their Xtracrylix and Xtracolour ranges. But I don't know whether it's postable ro the US

[ReccePhreak]

9 hours ago, rossm said:

If you are feeling patient I have an MPM kit spare but will not be able to get my hands on it until sometime in January as it's in Norfolk and I'm in Cornwall just now (oh, the joys of living in two places). I'd want what I paid for it retail as it's not on my 'for sale' list but it's low down my build list and I have a part built Airfix kit with the resin nacelles if I feel I suddenly want a Hudson so I'm happy to let it go if you would like it.

Thanks for the offer. I just found out today that my friend ordered the Revell kit for me for a late Christmas present. It should be here next week some time.

 

Larry

[ReccePhreak]

10 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

The engines in their cowlings basically stick on the front of the nacelles, so nothing will be required other than perhaps a spacer.  The intake may be another matter, you may have to work on a couple of lengths of sprue.

I just got a response back from DJ Parkins, about their Flightpath nacelles. He said they were what's left from the DB resin stuff, and they only had 3 sets left. He said the carburetor  intake would have to be scratch built. Of course, that is all moot, as I have a late Christmas present of a Revell kit coming next week.

 

Larry

[ReccePhreak]

1 hour ago, 825 said:

 

I think Light Slate Grey was only used in the shadow scheme Temperate Sea Scheme, i.e. On the lower wings of biplanes. Monoplanes would be in straight Temperate Sea Scheme, Extra Dark Sea Grey and Dark Slate Grey  over Sky undersides. If you really need Light Slate Grey, Hannants do it in both their Xtracrylix and Xtracolour ranges. But I don't know whether it's postable ro the US

Would that also be the case for a special reconnaissance mod, as the Warpaint profile of N7357 represents?

I know a lot of the early British recce planes did not use standard paint schemes, and a lot of experimenting was done, in order to find colours that were effective for their missions.

I plan to do my plane exactly like the profile. If I can't get the Xtracrylix or Extracolour tins here in the states, there are at least 2 online stores here that sell the Colourcoats brand.

 

Larry

[Graham Boak]

825 is right about the limited use of Light Slate Grey in the normal run of schemes, but Cotton's PR team did have a free hand.  They even used colours not seen elsewhere.  This particular aircraft is fairly well described and although I'm temporarily separated from my books, LSG sounds right.

[Seahawk]

3 minutes ago, Graham Boak said:

825 is right about the limited use of Light Slate Grey in the normal run of schemes, but Cotton's PR team did have a free hand.  They even used colours not seen elsewhere.  This particular aircraft is fairly well described and although I'm temporarily separated from my books, LSG sounds right.

 

And there's a very good thread on this aircraft somewhere on this site.  Eventually it included a number of the few photographs of the scheme plus eye-witness descriptions.  LSG rings a bell, as do white, "sky blue" and "sea green".   Search not working at the mo but try again once the indexes have been rebuilt.  

[ReccePhreak]

2 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

825 is right about the limited use of Light Slate Grey in the normal run of schemes, but Cotton's PR team did have a free hand.  They even used colours not seen elsewhere.  This particular aircraft is fairly well described and although I'm temporarily separated from my books, LSG sounds right.

Thanks for the info. Yes, everything I have read said that the early PR efforts pretty much had a free reign in testing different colour schemes. Unless someone can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it is wrong, I will go with the overall LSG scheme. 

 

Larry

2 hours ago, Seahawk said:

 

And there's a very good thread on this aircraft somewhere on this site.  Eventually it included a number of the few photographs of the scheme plus eye-witness descriptions.  LSG rings a bell, as do white, "sky blue" and "sea green".   Search not working at the mo but try again once the indexes have been rebuilt.  

I know what you mean about trying to find old threads. The "search engine" is not my friend every time. 

 

Larry

[Seahawk]

Oops, sorry.  I thought you were talking about the one with the exotic upper surface pattern in non-standard colours: I certainly was!

[ReccePhreak]

2 hours ago, Seahawk said:

Oops, sorry.  I thought you were talking about the one with the exotic upper surface pattern in non-standard colours: I certainly was!

I thought about doing that one, it would definitely be unique. I will stick with something easy this time around.

 

Larry

[rossm]

Almark decal sheet A36 - PR Markings Europe has some info, bear with the reference to PRU Blue..........

 

One drawing shows a Hudson I "PRU Blue Hudson, St.Eval, 1941 with B roundels and large fin flashes on both sides of fins, serial overpainted. This a/c is fully armed. Light Slate Grey overall versions existed with both B and A type roundels in 1940/41."

 

Another drawing is "Hudson I, N7357, which escorted six Hurricanes to the Middle East in 1940 and subsequently served with the ad-hoc No.2 PRU out there. On 23rd September it made a recon.bombing sortie to the Italian fort at Kufara, Libya with hand thrown 20lb bombs and returned to Heliopolis. Light Slate Grey finish with B roundels."

 

The roundel sizes given for N7357 are 40" for the fuselage and 46.8" for the upper wing, no underwing roundels or fin flashes. Almark show the starboard side with a camera in the aftermost window where Warpaint show the port side with the camera.

 

Research for the Almark sheet is credited to Les Whitehouse. I wonder where/if any photos can be found? Given my interest in Cornwall that overall PRU Blue one may have to be built but a Cornish one in LSG would be even better.

[ReccePhreak]

3 hours ago, rossm said:

Almark decal sheet A36 - PR Markings Europe has some info, bear with the reference to PRU Blue..........

 

One drawing shows a Hudson I "PRU Blue Hudson, St.Eval, 1941 with B roundels and large fin flashes on both sides of fins, serial overpainted. This a/c is fully armed. Light Slate Grey overall versions existed with both B and A type roundels in 1940/41."

 

Another drawing is "Hudson I, N7357, which escorted six Hurricanes to the Middle East in 1940 and subsequently served with the ad-hoc No.2 PRU out there. On 23rd September it made a recon.bombing sortie to the Italian fort at Kufara, Libya with hand thrown 20lb bombs and returned to Heliopolis. Light Slate Grey finish with B roundels."

 

The roundel sizes given for N7357 are 40" for the fuselage and 46.8" for the upper wing, no underwing roundels or fin flashes. Almark show the starboard side with a camera in the aftermost window where Warpaint show the port side with the camera.

 

Research for the Almark sheet is credited to Les Whitehouse. I wonder where/if any photos can be found? Given my interest in Cornwall that overall PRU Blue one may have to be built but a Cornish one in LSG would be even better.

Thanks for the info, I think I have that sheet at home. I will have to check it out tonight.

 

Larry