rom1 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) Hello I plan to build a 1/32nd Tamiya F-4E next year, I have the nice Zotz 32064 sheet, depicting Korat Phantoms. I would like to show something different for the load-out. I found this: https://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/f-4/f-4e_loads.shtml First, it seems there is no configuration with full Mk82, Sidewinder and Sparrow, as depicted on the boxart. Is that true? I would like to put the nice mk84 from Eduard Brassin range: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/988708-eduard-632075-mk-84-bombs According to cybermodeler chart, I can only set mk84 with just 2 sparrows. Is it the only possible configuration? Anyone knows where to find pictures of F-4E with mk84? Thanks in advance! Romain Edited November 24, 2016 by rom1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Please note that those loadouts are "typical." For missions not requiring the range provided by the drop tanks (perhaps missions "in country") they could probably carry more Mk.84s vice the drop tanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 DoubleUgly's IDF/AF Phantom books show several pics with a four Mk 84 load on both inboard and outboard pylons. HTH, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Evil Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 IIRC the Toom couldn't fly with Mk 84's on the inboard pylons as the tail overlapped the main gear bays. Mk84 outboard with Mk82's on TER's inboard and C/L tank was certainly a Vietnam loadout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Here is one with a Mk-84: Jari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rom1 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 Thank you guys! So, is the load-out shown on the boxart fictional? (370gal tanks, 4 sparows, 4 Sidewinder, mk82) Indeed, I'll will check but it seems the mk84 are too long to be carried on inner pylons. That bother me because I like the look with the outer 370gal tanks on outer pylons. Well, not very sure yet what I'll will do Still, pictures of Vietnam Load out are still welcomed! Thank you again! Romain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Mk 84's on the inboard pylons were definitely possible. Like I said, the Double Ugly books contains a few pics. Cheers, Andre Edited November 26, 2016 by Hook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) Some pics here: http://366th-tfw.net/f4_gallery.html http://366th-tfw.net/bruce-hill_photos2.htm as for Mk-84 on the i/b pylons i don't think they had the right tail during the Vietnam War to allow them to fit. LGB versions could since the tail section was shorter and once the Mk-84AIR version came online then they could put them on but standard conical tail Mk-84, no. Jari Edited November 26, 2016 by Finn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Martin Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I have multi 388 F-4E JJ & JV slides taken in-country with TER in all positions - but not all five at the same time. More common in my slides- the 'inners' are loaded with what I think are the wider M129E1 or SUU-30 weapons. Patrick Martin writer of those Double Ugly titles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Finn said: as for Mk-84 on the i/b pylons i don't think they had the right tail during the Vietnam War to allow them to fit. LGB versions could since the tail section was shorter and once the Mk-84AIR version came online then they could put them on but standard conical tail Mk-84, no. See Double Ugly volume 2, Israeli Phantoms - The Kurnass in IDF/AF Service 1989-Today, p 72 for a 4x Mk 84 load. The tails of the inner bombs are blocked out of view, but the outboards look like bog standard Vietnam-era type to me. "4 x Mk 84 - for when you definitely, positively want to blow some stuff up!" Cheers, Andre Edited November 26, 2016 by Hook silly typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rom1 Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 Hi Guy, Again, thank you very much. Seems I must also look for a centerline 600gal tank. In a revell box I guess. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 23 hours ago, rom1 said: Thank you guys! So, is the load-out shown on the boxart fictional? (370gal tanks, 4 sparows, 4 Sidewinder, mk82) No it isn't, but at the same time not so common. USAF flights going north in big packages in 1972 usualy had a single mission, some being escort, other bombers, with also jammers and Weasels. Most of the time escorts did carry a full missile load with drop tanks, while bombers only had a pair of sparrows to go with their M117 and Mk82. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Antoine said: No it isn't, but at the same time not so common. I'm fairly sure that AIM9's can't be carried at the same time as a loaded TER. I've seen a couple of museum exhibits showing that it can, but I've never seen a picture of an operational a/c loaded that way. Would be interested if anyone can provide photographic evidence showing that it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Evil Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 26 minutes ago, scotthldr said: I'm fairly sure that AIM9's can't be carried at the same time as a loaded TER. I've seen a couple of museum exhibits showing that it can, but I've never seen a picture of an operational a/c loaded that way. Would be interested if anyone can provide photographic evidence showing that it can be done. I know it's not USAF, but believe the rail spacers etc are the same dimension.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 28 minutes ago, scotthldr said: I'm fairly sure that AIM9's can't be carried at the same time as a loaded TER. I've seen a couple of museum exhibits showing that it can, but I've never seen a picture of an operational a/c loaded that way. Would be interested if anyone can provide photographic evidence showing that it can be done. As far as I understood it bombs needed to be dropped in order to launch an Aim-9...so not too practical I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Martin Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I have a couple slides with TER and rails mounted at the same time on inner pylon - but no weapons. Noted with TER on centre, outer tanks and AN/ALQ in the forward port sparrow bay as well. ie 67-0301 & 67-0290 JJ 34 TFS 388 TFW Korat 19740428 A lot of shots show the inner TER carrying only two bigger droppable weapons - outer and lower. There is a photo of an inner pylon with rails and Mk.82 in the Airpower book page 92. PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Evil Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Agreed, I can picture the loadout but can't find (USAF) evidence to hand. Plenty with TER/Rails with one or the other loaded with live weapons, but not both. I've seen official documentation and spoken to USAF F-4 plumbers who have both confirmed that the loadout was possible. The USN/USMC certainly used it in anger. IIRC this was only possible with 'thinner' weapons such as Mk82 (and I guess '81 and Rockeye, which were rare on USAF birds in SEA) where 'chunkier' weapons such as M117's and SUU-30 etc would mean you could load either the TER or AIM-9 shoulder station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 5 hours ago, Antoine said: USAF flights going north in big packages in 1972 usualy had a single mission, some being escort, other bombers, with also jammers and Weasels. Most of the time escorts did carry a full missile load with drop tanks, while bombers only had a pair of sparrows to go with their M117 and Mk82. I believe that's a beginning to explain the absence of proof. And absence of proof is not proof of the absence. Still, I reckon that's not easy to find pics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Finn Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I think this explains how the Israelis were able to have normal Mk-84s on the i/b pylons: http://phantomphacts.blogspot.ca/2013/10/israeli-mods-to-f-4-pylons.html Jari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 On zaterdag 26 november 2016 at 1:01 PM, rom1 said: Seems I must also look for a centerline 600gal tank. In a revell box I guess. Revell's 1/32nd F-4E has both Royal Jet and HPC centreliners. Worth asking in the Want / Trade sections. HTH, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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