bentwaters81tfw Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3935088/Russian-fighter-jet-CRASHES-Mediterranean-close-Putin-s-flagship-aircraft-carrier-sent-support-Assad-Syria.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 "Aircraft is thought to have suffered mechanical problems when crashing" It's insights like this that one just doesn't get from less professional news outlets. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted November 14, 2016 Author Share Posted November 14, 2016 Every one a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelh Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 When you see how bad the press is at covering subjects with which we are familiar. You really have to question their competence on any subject! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 depends really on the newspaper... I've read some very good articles on things I had a good insight. But these are not the ones with the big letters on the frontpage, obviously. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGHTS ON Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Didn't think they operated Mig 29's from their boat (did they mean Su27)? Gutsy call to go straight into "Blue Water" Carrier OPs (= no divert, no organic tanker) when as a Navy you haven't operated at sea for some time.... regardess of my personal views of the current Russian "management", glad to read that the pilot got out safely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 minute ago, FIGHTS ON said: Didn't think they operated Mig 29's from their boat (did they mean Su27)? She also carries the MiG-29K in addition to her Su-33s. The MiG-29K sounds a lot like this, I hear: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 TBH the Russians are still pretty new to carrier operations and it ain't the easiest thing to master.....Timing could have better though. Very glad to hear the pilot was OK.....Apparently the aircraft that crashed was a two-seater, do we know if the other seat was occupied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magwitch Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 8 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: TBH the Russians are still pretty new to carrier operations and it ain't the easiest thing to master.....Timing could have better though. Very glad to hear the pilot was OK.....Apparently the aircraft that crashed was a two-seater, do we know if the other seat was occupied? "Pretty new to carrier operations"? The Kuznetsov has been in service for 25 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, magwitch said: "Pretty new to carrier operations"? The Kuznetsov has been in service for 25 years! And seaworthy for two or three of those! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The Russians seem to be quite busy at the moment. Apologies for posting a link to a quasi newspaper: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2174749/multiple-russian-nuclear-powered-submarines-are-being-hunted-by-the-royal-navy-off-the-west-coast-of-scotland/ A RN friend took pictures of Admiral Kuznetsov making its way through the English Channel last month. It certainly throws out a cloud. Looked like it was burning good, stout, smoke intense Russian coal (I once received a clandestine one ton supply of that in the UK. Not legal. Very, very smokey, throw on the fire quietly at night, only when it's very windy ). I mention the possible submarines as given that, according to Wikipedia (which is always right ): "intended to support and defend strategic missile-carrying submarines, surface ships, and naval missile-carrying aircraft of the Russian Navy." Therefore, a strong intended role is to support just the kind of submarines that are supposedly lurking around to the west of Faslane. Interesting . 45 days endurance. Then it chugs smokily back or are there friendly refuelling facilities in the Med? Good that the pilot got out. I guess the dents in the Mig bodywork won't polish out, even after they've dried it out with hairdryers and towels . ATB TonyT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hi Funny, apart from two prototypes I have never seen a photo of MiG-29 K operating from Soviet/Russian aircraft carrier. Compared to a number of Su-33 photos published, even MiG-29 KUB two-seater's photos are rare. Is a single seat version even operational? Cheers Jure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I don't buy tabloids. I prefer Andrex. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 9 hours ago, TonyTiger66 said: 45 days endurance. Then it chugs smokily back or are there friendly refuelling facilities in the Med? The Tartus base in Syria is still active. They don't have the facilities to host a ship of similar size (and it would be unwise to dock such a juicy target in the middle of that war) but tankers could replenish there and then meet the carrier. Tankers may also come directly from Russia through the Black Sea. There have been a number of attempt to arrange refueling and restocking in a number of Mediterranean ports, including Spain, Malta and Egypt but until now these have not been accepted by any of these countries 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGHTS ON Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Deleted - Read the forum rules regarding political posts and swearing Edited November 22, 2016 by Greg B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 Now an Su-33 has gone in as well. Arrestor wire snapped. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4000988/A-SECOND-MiG-jet-crashes-Mediterranean-attempting-land-Russian-aircraft-carrier-returned-Syria.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Regarding the previous MiG-29 comments, there was a news article at the time, where a Russian military official said it was a Su-33 (his words) that went down, not as reported a MiG-29 thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGHTS ON Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 On 22/11/2016 at 6:21 PM, FIGHTS ON said: Deleted - Read the forum rules regarding political posts and swearing lets be more politically correct then. another crash reported today by the clowns pretending to be professionals at aviation. So as NOT to get banned (despite this topic inviting comments on REAL AVIATION) I'll leave it at that.......although I hear with the pantomime season approaching there is alway space for more clowns who drive around in ships where perhaps the doors fall off as they stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 What, the third one went in already? This is quite a steep learning curve for Kuznetzov air group. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 5 hours ago, Jure Miljevic said: What, the third one went in already? This is quite a steep learning curve for Kuznetzov air group. Cheers Jure No, still just two. But it's like getting an F-104G in your field in 1970s Germany: just wait a little while. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Got it . Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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