fewr9fkr9595 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) PS not to rain on your parade but, I am concerned that the paint will be too 'cured' by the time it comes to chipping, and the solution underneath won't work... I've always chipped off the top layer with warm water as soon as its dry to the touch. Anyone here tried it after a week or so? Edited January 15, 2017 by Tony Oliver Punctuation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, TonyTiger66 said: Thank you for the advice on 3D printing (and scanning) John . These are really interesting technologies, something I would very much like to try one day. Your multi coloured pre-shade is a work of art in itself. The way you have done the rear fuselage would actually look great 'as is' with the lighter shades, on the late war Me-262's that are sometimes in natural metal finish, but with a puttied look between panel joins. Im really interested to see how the chipping and weathering turns out, the 'metal' base coat seems extremely logical. Great stuff ( huge model !)! Best regards TonyT Thanks Tony. I'm not going to chip the hell out of it but I wasn't sure exactly where I was going to do it so I just base coated the whole lot. 11 hours ago, Tony Oliver said: PS not to rain on your parade but, I am concerned that the paint will be too 'cured' by the time it comes to chipping, and the solution underneath won't work... I've always chipped off the top layer with warm water as soon as its dry to the touch. Anyone here tried it after a week or so? Nah it's fine. At least I think it is, I used it on one of my builds, for the life of me I can't remember which one. .... ah the FW 1/72 my first Airfix. That was left for a day or two and chipped fine. we shall see. J EDIT. I read this morning in the tome that for best results you should chip right away. Leaving it to dry fully will make the job harder. ....... didnt wanna chip it anyway. Edited January 16, 2017 by The Spadgent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 And your mug business? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexN Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 4 hours ago, tango98 said: Flaps on all sub-variants of the 109E - were fabric covered as were all other flying control surfaces. You learn a new thing every day... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I presume you are going to finish in "McSpadgent" tartan?? Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoshenko Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 As Tony said, looking forward to seeing how this'll come out. Can't wait. It almost has a 3D effect as it is so reckon it'll look the dog's when the top coats are on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Tony Oliver said: And your mug business? Funny, but while we were talking I had a feeling that my replacement mug was being melted in the dishwasher. I whipped open the door to the DW to save it from a pinkish death. Oh the pain, the pain... 1 hour ago, Tomoshenko said: As Tony said, looking forward to seeing how this'll come out. Can't wait. It almost has a 3D effect as it is so reckon it'll look the dog's when the top coats are on. I hope so too. 1 hour ago, AdrianMF said: I presume you are going to finish in "McSpadgent" tartan?? Regards, Adrian I've run out of tartan paint, J ps. I have my likes back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 AlexN wrote: "You learn a new thing every day" That's so very true. Even now after studying the Bf 109E for over 30 odd years, I'm still coming across stuff in my original Luftwaffe document files that totally debunk many previously held theories! Cheers Dave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 38 minutes ago, The Spadgent said: I've run out of tartan paint, I prefer tart an' custard meself! Ian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexN Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 12 hours ago, tango98 said: That's so very true. Even now after studying the Bf 109E for over 30 odd years, I'm still coming across stuff in my original Luftwaffe document files that totally debunk many previously held theories! Out of likes but consider it 'liked' in advance. I remember painting all my Bf 109 (and FW 190) cockpits in RLM 02 until not very long ago... I'm intrigued to see how your McMesserschimtt turns out wi' top coats on, Jont . Speakinf of top coats, markings, etc., you should see the old original one in my kit. I'd post a snap here for your viewing amusement. except that I'm tapping away on the iPad and Flickr and the iPad do not mix. At all. Curse them both . Maybe tomorrow, wot is anuvver day. Fine work! Cheers, Alex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christer A Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Oh, you're using that book for pre shading inspiration! I think it works to great effect, and it sure was nice to see some well "pro" modellers do this kind of crazy-shade as well. Looking very much forward to the top colors then ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James G Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Nice progress, this will look great when done. My two-pennyworth on chipping, do it ASAP as a lot of acrylics seem to cure very quickly! It does very much depend on the paint, AKAN acrylics chip very easily, Revell not so much (ask me how I know)! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_M Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 A word of caution. The masks I sent dont pull off Tamiya or Mr Hobby once cured. I have had the Vinyl pull of a decal. Please test the masks before you strip away large parts of the paint work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sean_M said: A word of caution. The masks I sent dont pull off Tamiya or Mr Hobby once cured. I have had the Vinyl pull of a decal. Please test the masks before you strip away large parts of the paint work Fingers & toes crossed here Go for it!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Thanks for all the positive comments. I managed to get the first paint on tonight. Avoided a slight crisis and settled in a happy place. Let me show you what happened. I masked off the nose and tail and set about mixing the thinned down RLM65. all mixed 30 x thinner 12 x blue 12 x white I wanted it slightly more washy than usual to allow the pre shade through. pass one. seems to be working well. Pushing on with the next coat. it's really subtle but using the thinned paint you can really adjust the colours to how you want them. I forgot to take a pic of the first side coat but here is number two. And the finally number three. it was here that I decided to have a go at chipping. What a mistakea da makea! luckily for you lot I was flapping so much I didn't get pics. Yes, yes I know you all said that the chipping had to be done right away and guess what? well it did work but I found myself scrubbing at the lower wing to get through to the silver underneath and before I knew what was happening I'd made a right pigs ear of it. so I popped off and made a brew, came back and tidied up the offending area and re sprayed. I think I managed to save it. And the chipping has only survived on the leading edge of the wings. I'll do any light chipping with a pencil at the end. The RLM65 is a little heavier than I would have liked but the subtle shades are coming through which is nice. Here are the full sides. I'm happy with that. After the muchos flappos, chippos, nightmareos, I'm calling it a night. I was kindly sent some masks to use by "Sean_M" They are top notch ones. I've never used masks before but I figured in for a penny.as he mentioned above they shouldn't peel off my paint once dry. So she's up and drying. Hopefully we will have more paint tomorrow night. thanks for indulging my bonkers experiments. Happy Modelling you lot. Johnny Chip lack. Edited September 10, 2017 by The Spadgent 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 The RLM looks about right density wise to me. As to the chipping......I always try to tell them but does anybody ever listen to me? No, they know it all.......(Tim the Enchanter, Monty Python and the Holy Grail) Martian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Martian Hale said: The RLM looks about right density wise to me. As to the chipping......I always try to tell them but does anybody ever listen to me? No, they know it all.......(Tim the Enchanter, Monty Python and the Holy Grail) Martian "Look at the boooones" Thanks M. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Great work Jonny You are stepping out of your comfort zone with the chipping & it has tried to bite you - but you still have the magic silver pencil in your armoury - so YOU WINHi Ho Silver - Away!!! The pre-shading looks gorgeous - you have inspired me to ditch my rattle cans & take the plunge with airbrushes - Thank you - this forum is truly inspirational!!! Edited January 17, 2017 by BIG X syntax & spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, BIG X said: Great work Jonny You are stepping out of your comfort zone with the chipping & it has tried to bite you - but you still have the magic silver pencil in your armoury - so YOU WINHi Ho Silver - Away!!! The pre-shading looks gorgeous - you have inspired me to ditch my rattle cans & take the plunge with airbrushes - Thank you - this forum is truly inspirational!!! Thanks! I can't sing the praises of airbrushes enough. Since moving over to them a few months ago it's been an amazing learning experience. So many great techniques to try out. Go for it, you won't regret it. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Quick question to the BM mass brain. what colour should I do the bomb? I've seen RLM02 and darker. (Not sure the RLM) help me Obi-wan you're my only hope. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Sorry to hear about the about the fight in the chip-shop McSpadgent, but your care with the paint processes is well worth it from the results you're getting there. I'm increasingly taken with more modulated approaches to 'layering' of colour effects, and whilst it can be too extreme on smaller scales at times, I reckon at 1/24 this is going to be mucho delicioso to the eye. As to the exploding haggis you're slinging beneath it, have you considered a nice Harris tweed undercoat? Looking forwards to the next layer Tony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 46 minutes ago, The Spadgent said: Quick question to the BM mass brain. what colour should I do the bomb? I've seen RLM02 and darker. (Not sure the RLM) help me Obi-wan you're my only hope. J Bombs were mostly RLM 70, but RLM 02, 71 and 66 was also used 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Maybe this helps a bit. Photos b/w but I think any of the colors could be used. Your choice: http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/bordgerate/abwurf.htm http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23291 http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/index.php/waffenwerkstatt-hauptraum/bomben/sc-250 From the last link at the bottom of the page: " Anfangs wurden die Bomben in dunkelgrauer Farbe lackiert. Ab 1942 wählte man beigegrau für alle Bombentypen. Grundsätzlich waren folgende Abwurfvorrichtungen für die SC 250 geeignet: ETC-500, ETC-501, ETC-502, ETC-2000 sowie das Schloss 2000. " Dark gray (RAL 6006) and later at 1942 I guess Rlm 02. But personally I would go with RLM 70 ( More contrast on the model) Edited January 17, 2017 by bbudde 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexN Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Nice work, Johnno! Here's the snap of the original transfer sheet - horrido indeed! Very, very basic, no fuselage frame numbers or nuffin' - well, except for a Werke Nummer(?). Horrido indeed - transfer sheet from 1/24 Bf 109 kit by Alex1N, on Flickr Compare and Contrast with Mr Spadgent's photo of the current boxing's markings sheet: Let me know if you want me to wipe this post and your wish will be my command! Cheers, Alex. <-- not a mouldy old sheet of transfers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 hours ago, TheBaron said: Sorry to hear about the about the fight in the chip-shop McSpadgent, but your care with the paint processes is well worth it from the results you're getting there. I'm increasingly taken with more modulated approaches to 'layering' of colour effects, and whilst it can be too extreme on smaller scales at times, I reckon at 1/24 this is going to be mucho delicioso to the eye. As to the exploding haggis you're slinging beneath it, have you considered a nice Harris tweed undercoat? Looking forwards to the next layer Tony Thanks boss. I could possibly turn said 250kg bomb into a bag pipe. Tartan octopus from above! 2 hours ago, Black Knight said: Bombs were mostly RLM 70, but RLM 02, 71 and 66 was also used Thanks, Love you guys. 1 hour ago, bbudde said: Maybe this helps a bit. Photos b/w but I think any of the colors could be used. Your choice: http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/bordgerate/abwurf.htm http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23291 http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/index.php/waffenwerkstatt-hauptraum/bomben/sc-250 From the last link at the bottom of the page: " Anfangs wurden die Bomben in dunkelgrauer Farbe lackiert. Ab 1942 wählte man beigegrau für alle Bombentypen. Grundsätzlich waren folgende Abwurfvorrichtungen für die SC 250 geeignet: ETC-500, ETC-501, ETC-502, ETC-2000 sowie das Schloss 2000. " Dark gray (RAL 6006) and later at 1942 I guess Rlm 02. But personally I would go with RLM 70 ( More contrast on the model) Awsome thanks. 1 hour ago, AlexN said: Nice work, Johnno! Here's the snap of the original transfer sheet - horrido indeed! Very, very basic, no fuselage frame numbers or nuffin' - well, except for a Werke Nummer(?). Horrido indeed - transfer sheet from 1/24 Bf 109 kit by Alex1N, on Flickr Let me know if you want me to wipe this snap and your wish will be my command! Cheers, Alex. <-- not a mouldy old sheet of transfers they are a bit tattered. You have to build this now. Look how much they need some love. (Nudge, nudge). Johny bagpipe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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