BIG X Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, jean said: We are talking nose and rudder +wing tips + other bits and pieces that were not painted yellow in the first half of 1940. Sorry if I misunderstood you. Thanks Jean - most appreciated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Hey guys. Thanks for keeping the thread toasty for me. sporadic work today ending in a fair bit of progress. The rack got filled and painted and sanded the engine got masked and yes people she's ready to be primed. exciting isn't it. ..... primer on and all is well with the world. and the under side. everything seems to be nice and smooth. She's ready for an experiment. Now let me tell you what happend the other day. I saw a book at the LMS it looked pretty cool so I checked a few reviews, a few days later I had this beauty. now I'm aware that some people don't like to advertise product on our beloved BM but this is the bomb. I have learned so much while reading it, lots of techniques I'd really like to try out. I know I should use a mule but....... sod that let's learn on the job eh? tonight lady's and gents we are going to try the coloured pre shade. Three tone to be precise. First off I spray aluminium for possible chipping later. sexy, shiny, shiny. Pitty it's going to be covered. after this I used chipping fluid to cover everything for the strip back laterz. next up is the first colour pre shade. I've decided to do the mid colour of the under side, (mid blue) next will be the darker blue/black then..... the white. this middle shade is the filler and just under surface variation pass, (streaks etc). The darks will be the deep lines and the whites will be the highlights. I'm going to have to hold off now till tomorrow. I'm not sure how it'll go but it's going to be fun finding out. thanks for popping in for a brew. see y'all tomorrow. Happy modelling. Johnny. Edited September 10, 2017 by The Spadgent 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Can I suggest that you check any references for the specific aircraft you are building? I know the memory can play tricks but I am not aware of heavily chipped BF109s from this period. Martian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Hi Johnny, just to be sure, to be sure, make double sure you are not putting chipping fluid on the non-metallic parts of the airframe.... Any slur to your well known mastery of the dark arts would only be a coincidence! Impressive through and through. JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Martian Hale said: Can I suggest that you check any references for the specific aircraft you are building? I know the memory can play tricks but I am not aware of heavily chipped BF109s from this period. Martian Don't worry it'll be subtle. Well subtle ish. 1 hour ago, jean said: Hi Johnny, just to be sure, to be sure, make double sure you are not putting chipping fluid on the non-metallic parts of the airframe.... Any slur to your well known mastery of the dark arts would only be a coincidence! Impressive through and through. JR Er.. I think so. Which non metallic parts would they be? Just to be sure mind. J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, The Spadgent said: Don't worry it'll be subtle. Well subtle ish. Er.. I think so. Which non metallic parts would they be? Just to be sure mind. J Fabric covered control surfaces? Martian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 31 minutes ago, The Spadgent said: Er.. I think so. Which non metallic parts would they be? Just to be sure mind. J Hi, the fabric-covered parts are the elevators (moving surfaces only), the rudder, the flaps. Not 100% sure about the ailerons though, so check that one out! The rest is all metal and cool to chip, but as Martin said, these 109 E had subdued chipping. We are not talking Japanese aircraft in the Pacific... It's gonna be just great! JR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREG DESTEC Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Yahoo! Painting time I admire your adventurous approach to this build John. Good luck with the new techniques, and yes it is exciting. Go Johnny go cheers Greg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Martian Hale said: Fabric covered control surfaces? Martian Right oh! 1 hour ago, jean said: Hi, the fabric-covered parts are the elevators (moving surfaces only), the rudder, the flaps. Not 100% sure about the ailerons though, so check that one out! The rest is all metal and cool to chip, but as Martin said, these 109 E had subdued chipping. We are not talking Japanese aircraft in the Pacific... It's gonna be just great! JR Ok got it. Don't worry. The pic on the front of the book is just for show. That volume is all about painting technique. I'll not be doing anything like that to this here bird. 58 minutes ago, GREG DESTEC said: Yahoo! Painting time I admire your adventurous approach to this build John. Good luck with the new techniques, and yes it is exciting. Go Johnny go cheers Greg Thanks Greg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexN Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Ailerons fabric, flaps metal in this case, I think. I can't recall fabric-covered flaps in any aircraft, even the Gloster Gladiator. Looking excellent! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I must say I do like the silver! I missed the 3D printing but the new bomb rack has come out nice and smooth. [I just wonder if milliput or balsa would have been quicker ] Regards, Adrian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 The tyres. Do not chip the tyres. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Lewis Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 5 hours ago, TheBaron said: The tyres. Do not chip the tyres. Sage advice there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Like the look of where this technique is going... waiting with bated breath for the next bit. Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 The tension is killing me - this is definitely a five bucket build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Tad more done this morning. The different base coats require a different pre shade colour. So we have browns for the nose, blues for the under side and drag grey green for the top. next up is the whites. I'm doing the middle of panels and high point that I want to pick out. I love this look. hopefully the yellow should really PING on the cowl. hopefully this should work and not look like my previous bruised bananas. last pass is are the dark shades. Basically darkerer versions of the mid tones. In the really deepest panel lines. Almost like an old school pre shade without the faff. top. and bottom. I'm happy with that. unfortunatly I'm on dinner duty so that's it for now and we have Sherlock later so base coat next week. Well tomorrow. thanks for dropping by. take it easy Sunday dwellers. happy modelling. Johnny paint pot. Edited September 10, 2017 by The Spadgent 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 She’s coming along very nicely John and I look forward to seeing her finished. Also, and to clarify some queries posted earlier in the thread: Flaps on all sub-variants of the 109E - were fabric covered as were all other flying control surfaces. ETC bomb carrier – some have visible openings on the front face, some do not. Yellow ID markings – began appearing on 109Es operating over the UK circa early to mid-August 1940, the first units identified as using them being JG 26 and JG 54. That the 9 and the vertical bar are yellow is simply that they are painted in the 9. Staffel colour, while the vertical bar indicates that the subject aircraft belonged to the III. Gruppe. The 9 is simply the aircraft Staffel number and has nothing to do with the aircraft belonging to the 9.Staffel. HTH Cheers Dave 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 That's a great bit of work, looks really effective! Fingers cross for the next bit. Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 It'll be interesting to see how the multi-colour lattice pans out there Sherlock! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodmin Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Ive never got the hang of pre shading. I always mess it up. Your looks good. Look forward to the final paint job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 I ran out of likes. but yes I'm looking forward to the tartan underskirt being bathed in RLM goodness too. I have to get some Tamiya pots tomorrow as I don't have the colours. Once again keep em crossed for me. Jont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Nice mug mate 👍🏿 paintwork aint bad either... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 Thanks. eBay special. Don't put it in the dish washer though. the first one I'm keeping my files in. It's gone a bit pink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Thank you for the advice on 3D printing (and scanning) John . These are really interesting technologies, something I would very much like to try one day. Your multi coloured pre-shade is a work of art in itself. The way you have done the rear fuselage would actually look great 'as is' with the lighter shades, on the late war Me-262's that are sometimes in natural metal finish, but with a puttied look between panel joins. Im really interested to see how the chipping and weathering turns out, the 'metal' base coat seems extremely logical. Great stuff ( huge model !)! Best regards TonyT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Pink? Perhaps do a load and re-sell them on as 'vintage' or 'weathered for modellers' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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