Mike Esposito Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Wow! Gonna have to increase my stash.... Edited November 19, 2017 by Mike Esposito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobby_23 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 On 18/11/2017 at 11:59 AM, spfparker said: Phantom - and Sea Fury - now expected in January - according to Airfix website :(.. Everything comes to he/ she who waits.... Ugh I was looking forward to this being my Christmas build, holiday period was going to be my first chance to build anything for months *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Sobby_23 said: Ugh I was looking forward to this being my Christmas build, holiday period was going to be my first chance to build anything for months *sigh* Build something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 8 hours ago, tony.t said: Would be handy if these were to be catered for on the decal sheet. Perfectly acceptable in 1/72 scale Looks to be a great little model Tony Not to me - might be fine in smaller scales to use decals but in 1/72 scale they really should be molded. Hopefully some AM will come along for them, or I'll have to scratch build them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Spoke to one of the guys on the Airfix stand at Telford and was told that it would be decals but if Fujimi could do it all those years ago surely Airfix could as well. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janneman36 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 12 hours ago, Sobby_23 said: Ugh I was looking forward to this being my Christmas build, holiday period was going to be my first chance to build anything for months *sigh* Whoops now you have to sit around the table with your family and socialise.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) On 18 November 2017 at 11:59 AM, spfparker said: Phantom - and Sea Fury - now expected in January - according to Airfix website :(.. Everything comes to he/ she who waits.... Idle thought from me on a wet miserable day on the east coast of Scotland. If Airfix are delaying the kit/s in order to make change/s based on comments on various web sites, including this, IMHO - the prime one, then it would be nice if they could credit the same - not individuals per se, but the site as a whole. These are, after all, the information centres of now and for the future. Just an idle thought Dennis Edited November 20, 2017 by sloegin57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 19/11/2017 at 11:48 AM, tony.t said: Would be handy if these were to be catered for on the decal sheet. Perfectly acceptable in 1/72 scale Looks to be a great little model Tony Doesn't look like it https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/news/workbench/air-power-of-the-senior-service/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene K Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 3:17 PM, Robert said: ... was told that it would be decals [for vents/grills] but if Fujimi could do it all those years ago surely Airfix could as well. Really!! Not to mention all the other manufacturers "all those years ago" who did the same as Fujimi on other Phantom variants ... like Hasegawa and Monogram!! Not sure how easy it would be for an AM company to produce an easy solution. Might be simpler to chop and use an old kit's top and bottom vent/grills ... either way, a painful solution to a problem Airfix should certainly not have challenged us with. (obviously, TBolt, like you I totally disagree with Tony (and Airfix) that decals are "perfectly acceptable in 1/72 scale ". Good grief!!! ) Gene K 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony.t Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 19 November 2017 at 7:56 PM, Tbolt said: Not to me - might be fine in smaller scales to use decals but in 1/72 scale they really should be molded. Hopefully some AM will come along for them, or I'll have to scratch build them. I'd prefer reworked parts with the vents but would be content with kit decals as an addendum to the decal sheet & instructions as fallback position. On 19 November 2017 at 9:17 PM, Robert said: Spoke to one of the guys on the Airfix stand at Telford and was told that it would be decals but if Fujimi could do it all those years ago surely Airfix could as well. Robert That's good news. I'm infinitely happier with decals than having to fork out an extra tenner for some AM resin. Have bought the Xtradecal 892 NAS sheet and it's exquisite. Thank you Hannants. tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Decals for these vents really is something that I would have not expected ! I could understand them on a cheap kit but not on a series 6 kit with a relatively high price tag. This is even more disappointing as Airfix introduced a lot of nice features on this kit, it would have been very simple to also have this detail in the same way as pretty much every other Phantom kit had in the past. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeback52 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I can live with decals in this case. I'm not worried about relatively small details like this - especially in a small scale like 1/72. Am inclined to agree with Airfix (and Tony) that this is quite acceptable. I suspect that most purchasers of the kit will be quite happy also. If others feel they must add to the cost of their model by splashing out for add on bits, that is of course their prerogative Allan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Albeback52 said: If others feel they must add to the cost of their model by splashing out for add on bits, that is of course their prerogative I believe the argument is that the modeller 'should not' have to add to the cost of what we expect(ed) to be a very well detailed model. At the very least we need an easily obtainable 'Fujimi like' kit. At a minimum, the Fujimi standard is what we expect with the additional Airfix features being a really bonus. I'm sure that what Airfix has on offer will be more than most modellers want/need, however Airfix have raised the bar as far as details go of late and missing items like this has probably come as quite a surprise to some. It will still sell like hotcakes, however something tells me that those unmade Fujimi kits are still going to hold their value for a little while longer. Cheers.. Dave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The vents are not on the decal sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfordhibby Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, Dave Fleming said: The vents are not on the decal sheet Dave They might print a wee addendum sheet. Now that everyman and his dug knows about it. Just seems to be a poor show all round. Though maybe the rest of the kit will make up for it. Like you i'm a wee bit dubious regarding the RWR. Time will tell I suppose. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: I believe the argument is that the modeller 'should not' have to add to the cost of what we expect(ed) to be a very well detailed model. I find myself wondering if they just physically couldn't add those details. I mean, they're not exactly major details, but they are quite visible. And given the amount of work that goes into researching and designing a major release from a mainstream manufacturer, there is zero chance that they simply didn't know the vents existed. But looking at the panel lines... they're fairly large. Dimensionally, they're a lot wider, and a lot rounder than the Fujimi Phantoms. And the vents in question basically amount to surface detail - the boundary layer holes are essentially a ton of rivets grouped close together, for instance. So if those panel lines mark the minimum feature size Airfix is capable of rendering - if their tooling shop simply can't machine dimensionally finer surface details - it's possible they made a conscious decision to omit the vents because it would look clunky and crude if they tried to replicate them. Like, imagine the boundary layer holes on the splitter, if they were all the size of the rivets. It would look... pretty terrible. So the solution is, you leave it out. Seems a lot more plausible to me than 'they never noticed them'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: I believe the argument is that the modeller 'should not' have to add to the cost of what we expect(ed) to be a very well detailed model. Blimey, not sure this fits in with Eduard AM for Eduards own kits regime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavingav1 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3-d detail supplied as decal is always a compromise, they did it with the new tool sea king and commando on the air filter box and it looked pathetic to be honest . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, ICMF said: I find myself wondering if they just physically couldn't add those details. I mean, they're not exactly major details, but they are quite visible. And given the amount of work that goes into researching and designing a major release from a mainstream manufacturer, there is zero chance that they simply didn't know the vents existed. But looking at the panel lines... they're fairly large. Dimensionally, they're a lot wider, and a lot rounder than the Fujimi Phantoms. And the vents in question basically amount to surface detail - the boundary layer holes are essentially a ton of rivets grouped close together, for instance. So if those panel lines mark the minimum feature size Airfix is capable of rendering - if their tooling shop simply can't machine dimensionally finer surface details - it's possible they made a conscious decision to omit the vents because it would look clunky and crude if they tried to replicate them. Like, imagine the boundary layer holes on the splitter, if they were all the size of the rivets. It would look... pretty terrible. So the solution is, you leave it out. Seems a lot more plausible to me than 'they never noticed them'. I think you are right on the boundary layer holes on the intakes - having seen photos, they are too fine to do justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I find it amusing people are fussing over the 1,000,000 holes that Airfix didn't replicate in 1/72nd. How dare they... I mean *if* they did, you'd have about 50-100? and they would look too big..... they literally can't win with some modellers assemblers. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfordhibby Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I must have got the wrong end of the stick? I thought it was the vents/grills on the top and bottom of the intakes. Also the small ones on the fuselage above the exhaust nozzles, that people were talking about. Didn't realise they also wanted the the holes on the intake ramps. I thought they were being used as an example of something that would be too small to recreate. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) I thought that we were talking about the more distinctive bleed air outlet vents at the top inner side of the intakes, and the engine rear outlet cooling vents? If so then Fujimi managed this quite easily 30 years ago, as indeed a representation of the holes on the splitter plates. On a 2017 high tech kit, at the price it is, I would expect some of these details. It might be of course that some these details will be included in the final plastic, and that we are jumping the gun. Edited November 21, 2017 by 71chally 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Blackfordhibby said: I must have got the wrong end of the stick? I thought it was the vents/grills on the top and bottom of the intakes. Also the small ones on the fuselage above the exhaust nozzles, that people were talking about. Didn't realise they also wanted the the holes on the intake ramps. I thought they were being used as an example of something that would be too small to recreate. Peter All three as far as I'm aware - it would be good to get ssomething to represent the bleed air holes, even a decal or a bit of rough texture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene K Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Radleigh said: I find it amusing people are fussing over the 1,000,000 holes that Airfix didn't replicate in 1/72nd. How dare they... I mean *if* they did, you'd have about 50-100? and they would look too big..... they literally can't win with some modellers assemblers. Well, I don't find your arrogance (to be kind) amusing. On second thought, it is amusing that you, as a "modeller", don't know the correct number of "holes" you were struggling to describe. Gene K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 6 hours ago, Dave Fleming said: I think you are right on the boundary layer holes on the intakes - having seen photos, they are too fine to do justice Same deal with all three areas though - they're all fine recessed details that Airfix may be simply incapable of reproducing. As I said, they're not major details, but they are quite visible, so I'd be shocked if they somehow overlooked the various vents, rather than making a conscious design decision. Not an excuse, but a possible explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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